The Arc of a Forum Exchange

[Thread found recently on the Digithead Mycam Forum:] 

Whoo-hoo! Get a load of this, all you Mycam fans! Harold Parker Chasen over at LittlePhotoBlog.com says he's not going to buy the Mycam 47J because it doesn't have an accessory he wants. I quote:

"While the Mycam is really a beautiful camera that I've been sorely tempted by, I really want a moderate wide-angle prime lens for my new camera. That's just me, but I've decided I want to have that option. Nothing against the camera, which I really like, but I guess I'll just have to look elsewhere."

Sorry! One more expert who blows snot in the general direction of the Mycam 47J! Losers!

Posted by: MountainTroll847

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So what? I'm not going to be deeply offended because one supposed expert doesn't share my unimpeachable taste in cameras. Certainly not to the extent that I'm going to exhibit my hurt feelings in public by going to the trouble of writing a forum post about it. I wouldn't do that. This is not something I'm going to worry about. Why would I?

Posted by: Mycam4ever

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Halold Chasen is and idiott.

Posted by: Tankeray

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Ha ha! LOL! Get em Tankeray! You rock your AWESOME dude!!!!!!!!!!! Your are so rite its just pro!found!

Posted by: Beerdup

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Just an observation, MountainTroll, but if you will read what he has said and go back to it and reread carefully, you will discover that he LIKES the camera. He says so. Now who's the loser?

Posted by: defNdr

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Yet another disturbed bleat by MountainTroll, who can't seem to stick to his own forum and his own kind. I count an average of 4.1176 posts per month here in the Mycam Forum over the past 8 and half months, despite the fact that MountainTroll himself shoots with a Vueron 90, as listed on his sig file (but only in the Vueron Forum, note), which he bought on 20.07.07 after 33 posts detailing his agonizing between the Vueron 90 and the Vueron 80. And prior to that he bought and sold an Obfyooskam because he was so thick he could not figure out how to set the Obfyooskam so that the thumbnails would open automatically in OrganizR when using the Vista Tollway operating system in his Enronic Notebook, although anyone with half a brain knows that all you have to do is go into the system code and reset H2-00-SQ to "off."

MountainTroll, this is a MYCAM Forum. It is for MYCAM users. You should go back where you came from and stop posting obvious trolls that add nothing to the conversation. It is a waste of bandwidth. Only substantive posts by and for actual Mycam users should be tolerated here, and anyone posting nothing but flames and trolls such as yourself should be kicked off by the moderator, if there was one, so us polite people can have a civil conversation. Have a nice day.

Posted by: Edward Arlington Edwards esq.

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Edward!!!!!!!!! DUUUUUUUUUUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Beerdup

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I think Harold Parker Chasen may be prejudiced against Mycam cameras. I hate to say it but I think it is true. He has sometimes said in LittlePhotoBlog that other cameras can be used to take pictures with. This is clear evidence that he does not understand Mycam cameras and he never will.

Posted by: Mycam4ever

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If this man Harold Parker Chasen had any experience with photography or, really, knew anything at all past his own name and what day of the week it is (not saying he knows what day of the week it is, he probably doesn't) he would know that the Mycam system is way ahead of its rollout schedule as detailed by CEO Yugio Anime in an interview in Thailand published in Dutch in the Dutch magazine Mergatroid d'Vision in 2003 (issue 33, out of print) and clearly echoed in the Mycam roadmap. The 423 workers at the Mycam plant in Susudio Province work really hard to build the best lenses possible and they have already brought out 90 different zoom lenses with only 40 more to go before they can turn their attention to primes. And that should be enough for anybody to choose. For now. Otherwise he can just wait because a full set of primes will surely be coming before 2060. The Mycam system is remarkably developed considering its parent company's capitalization and the market share of its office copier business. I learned all this right here on this very Forum so a so-called expert should know it too.

Posted by: Cornucope?

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He should use the Mycam GD 17–250mm ƒ/2.9–8 WTF, IMHO, which has the full-time focus crank and integral quadruped mount and is pretty sharp. I think it's sharp. (Do you think? It looks sharp to me.) It is the latest WTF zoom type. True it is not a prime and true it is somewhat larger than a deli blutwurst but it balances well on the camera and my tests have proven that it is 103% as sharp as the Minolta 50mm I used in high school. He should use it. I do.

This is if he wants sharpness.

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Primes? He wants primes? There is no shortage of primes for the Mycam 47J. Using a Zweebendorker adapter I have mounted a 1913 Blündersbucher enlarging lens that has the 17 aperture blades to my Mycam 42J, the predecessor to the 47J. I have fashioned a completely effective lens hood out of black construction paper that works perfectly well. All I have to do is calculate lens extension and apply it to the metered value which I do with my homemade exposure wheel (plans at my website, not that this is a plug, I only charge $13.50 for the plans which is intended only to compensate me for the amount of bandwidth the instructions occupy, otherwise I offer these plans for free as a service to all 1913 Blündersbucher enlarger lens devotees such as myself), then set the exposure value in Menu 13 (the third symbol from the top, I can't figure out what it is, then go to the fourth item down, after which you can toggle from metered to modified exposure using thumbwheel 3 if you happen to have the earlier 42J-style vertical grip). And of course focus manually. There have never been more prime lenses available for any camera than there are enlarging lenses many of which are so cheap these days it's almost like they are giving them away that can be adapted to the Mycam. I am completely satisfied with my prime lens on my Mycam. My cup runneth over. These are great days.

Posted by: blündersbucherboy'41

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Actually, a prime lens is any lens you use to shoot a Presidential Primary with. That is the meaning of the term.

Posted by: Farqueen

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Edward Edwards? What kinda messed up name is that?

Posted by: Interrog8or

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"Actually, a prime lens is any lens you use to shoot a Presidential Primary with. That is the meaning of the term."

Farqueen, I never knew that before, but a supposedly professional writer such as Harold Parker Chasen should know it and should absolutely be prevented from writing on the internet if he doesn't know basic facts such as this one if there was any justice. He is an ignorant slut and probably his mother doesn't even like his so-called writings. He should pour gasoline over his head and light himself on fire.

Posted by: dingle+berry

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Senior Johnny Dingle and Freshman Scooter Berry of the West Virginia Mountaineers.

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"Edward Edwards? What kinda messed up name is that?"

South African?

Posted by: ElpfL

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You know, you guys can relax. If you ever actually read LittlePhotoBlog, it obvious that Harold has nothing against Mycams. In fact he's been a supporter of theirs for a long time. He just happens to want a moderate-wide prime for his own personal work. He just wants the option. He's very clear that it's just a personal choice, like any of the rest of us make.

Posted by: PhotogBob

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"South African?"

South African? Did you really write that? Are you tryin to make yourself look stupid or are you really a numbskulled pigbrained lobotomized excuse for a moron? "Edward Arlington Edwards"?!? Are you kidding me? Arlington? Edwards? Hello? It's English. It's got to be English. It's ENGLISH, any peabrain lugnut can see it's ENGLISH.

Edward, he clearly does not understand persons of your nationality or high quality.

Twit.

Posted by: Luvjesus

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Once more for the record I'm really totally not concerned in the slightest that H. Chasen does not happen to share my enthusiasm for the Mycam 47J which is an excellent camera. I love mine and will never part with it. Ever. And that is final.

Posted by: Mycam4ever

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Is he insane? Seriously, is he insane? Mycam is IN BUSINESS. They are in business TO MAKE MONEY. The name of that game is PROFIT. They CANNOT MAKE MONEY making and marketing a prime lens. There is no way. There is simply no profit in it. Ergo THEY WILL NOT DO IT. If there was profit in it they would do it. This is simple economics. Some people just cannot understand SIMPLE ECONOMICS. I am completely amazed by his inability to understand simple economics. Seriously, is he totally, completely insane? I want to know.

Posted by: Mittfan

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I knew a guy named Eddie Edwards once. He sat behind me in the 5th grade.

Posted by: Andy

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Actually, I was born in Eastern New Jersey and now reside in Georgia, although I do not quarrel with your estimation of ElpfL. Andy, I'm afraid I am not the Eddie Edwards you knew in 5th grade. I attended the Throbbington-Mockery School for Boys and have never gone by "Eddie."

Posted by: Edward Arlington Edwards esq.

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I have spent 8 hours since this thread began studying my files from the Mycam 47J and I have concluded that the results of my research when I conducted it prior to purchasing the Mycam have been triumphantly vindicated by the superb results I have achieved. There is nothing wrong with my files. My images are sharp and do a great job of showing my vision. Chasen is wrong. Dead wrong, plain wrong, and wrong as rain.

Posted by: Mycam4ever

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dingle+berry dude I have just caughten up on this thred home from work and I am LAFFING SO HARD I AM GOING TO SH*T MY PANTS laffing on the rolling floor a**ing my LAFF off ROTCFLA!! Set himself on FIRE! DUUUUUUUDE you got him there! Go! Go! Hahahahahaha!

Posted by: beerdup

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"Actually, a prime lens is any lens you use to shoot a Presidential Primary with. That is the meaning of the term."

I am something of an older photography enthusiast and had the honor to have served as focus puller on 8 of the great leading lady Mary Pickford's most celebrated later films, including "Kiki" and "Coquette" which every one amongst us surely recalls with fondness similar to mine, and in those days ('30s) "prime lens" in the film industry was the term used to describe a camera lens attached to an accessory device such as an afocal converter, teleconverter, or anamorphic system*. It had nothing at all to do with "single-focal-length lens." That meaning of the term has simply been in use in still photography for more than four decades.

Posted by: Hitch

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"I am something of an older photography enthusiast and had the honor to have served as focus puller on 8 of the great leading lady Mary Pickford's most celebrated later films, including "Kiki" and "Coquette" which every one amongst us surely recalls with fondness similar to mine, and in those days ('30s) "prime lens" in the film industry was the term used to describe a camera lens attached to an accessory device such as an afocal converter, teleconverter, or anamorphic system*. It had nothing at all to do with "single-focal-length lens" even though that meaning of the term has been continuously in use in still photography for more than four decades...."

Exactly, and Harold Parker Chasen should know that. Maybe he should go hang himself.

Posted by: dingle+berry

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Harold Chasen's oh-old! He's behind the ti-imes! NOBODY wants or needs prime lenses any more! NOBODY has cared since the eighteenth century! He should throw away his knickers and his wig and like, get with the times and like, grow up and like, get a life and like, enter the real world and like, smell the coffee!

Posted by: Legal2Drink

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Eddie Edwards and I once snuck in during recess and stole three muffins from the lunch room. They never caught us.

I wonder what ever happened to good old Eddie. 

Posted by: Andy

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ANNOUNCEMENT: It is with great sorrow and the knowledge that I will miss greatly all my fine and very close personal friends in this best of all possible forums, who have shared so generously all their knowledge & closest thoughts with me for the past year, but I have not been able to sleep for two nights in a row and after reading all of Harold Parker Chasen's arguments more than thirty times I have come to the regrettable decision that HE IS CORRECT and SOLELY due to Mycam's complete and utter DISREGARD for the market's need for moderate-wide prime lenses the decision has been made to regrettably leave Mycam behind and switch over to Vueron. Two Vueron 90 bodies with the 11–18mm, 20–45mm, 35–112mm, and 70–400mm zooms plus an XLNT flash and several other accessories have been purchased, and a Vueron legacy 35mm prime lens (are you listening, Mycam?) will be considered in the future. I am of course naturally forced to leave the Mycam Forum forever but I hope to see some of you someday over on the Vueron Forum if any of you ever come to your senses.

I will be selling my beloved Mycam 47J and if anyone is interested in it they should email me privately. It is a great camera. I have owned it for seven months. It is barely used and in perfect, like-new condition, having been kept wrapped in two layers of velvet in a locked Blackbuster case for most of that time. There have been only 1187 shutter actuations.

I will miss it but it is Mycam's fault that I am forced to switch. I am left with no choice.

Goodbye.

Posted by: Vueron4ever (formerly Mycam4ever)

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_______________________

Harold

Plausible Deniability, Dept.: This is a parody and not intended to reflect on any actual individuals.

*Sidney F. Ray (seriously). Hitch was right....

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Comments

[wtlloyd]

I didn't read every word. But I read enough to see that here lies the photo forum parody to end all parodies.

Amusing, very, but methinks Mike had a little too much time on his hands today.....

[Chris S.]

Just like to say that I'm glad your comments don't usually run like that. There seems to be a topology of the internet, that I'm sure could make an interesting social research subject for some fine PhD work, and in this space we somehow collect ourselves into artsy cafes, town parks, suburban laundromats, woody knolls, vacant lots and under-bridges just like the hard-as-rock world such that normally each keeps to their own. It's a good thing.

[Simon]

Wow...so true. Sad, isn't it?

I'm sure someone is doing social psychological research into human behavior in online equipment forums. If not, someone should!

[Doug Nelson]

Vueron sucks!!!! In lab test it's lenses couldn't resolve 110 lines!!! And Mycam will support K-mount once Kinos ships teh adaptered.

[Simon Griffee]

Mycam sucks! Vueron ROCKS!

[erlik]

The missing part:

All the similarities with real persons and/or events intentional.

--
Major Major Major III

[ShadZee]

Best article of the year!

I think I actually read more of this than the actual thread at xxxx ;-)

I appreciate your attention to details, and as a prime shooter I'd say; KEEP IT UP ;-)

[Michael]

Having come to the end of my patience with both Nikon and Canon and their utter disregard for serious hobbyists I think Vueron could fill my needs can someone post a link as I've tried various search engines without success, this is a matter of some urgency as I'm suicidal having offloaded my Canon system on Ebay.

[Matthew Allen]

This is absolutely brilliant. The icing on the cake was the "so long I'm headed for greener pastures" post. I have seen countless such threads and my reaction to every one was to wonder how narcissistic you have to be to assume that the entire world cares that you're filled with consumer angst. I particularly like the martyred tone here: "I am of course naturally forced to leave the Mycam Forum".

Keep up the good work Mike!

-Matthew

[Julie Heyward]

<<<<(see avatar [pink square]; it's a macro of the exact spot on my index finger that touches the shutter release button on my Mycam47J)

The Mycam47J is just a tool. All that matters is ART!

(Harold will do it again tomorrow.)

-Vivian Pickles
My Equipment List [link to .pdf file; the whole list was too long to fit in my signature. 5 MB -- with music.]

[Bahi]

Nails the whole photo forum experience, doesn't it? I wish I'd been able to read something like this a couple of years ago, when trying to buy my first DSLR - it would have saved me a heap of time and provided a few laughs. :)

[jimwitkowski]

Wow! I've never seen anyone that had so much fun arguing with themselves before. jw

[Bahi]

Let me see if I can get my tenses right. There is, in the online photography world, one forum to rule them all and if readers were to visit it and choose the appropriate topic, having primed themselves with recent articles here on this site, perhaps they might find that the satire on this page were even sharper than they might have suspected - to the point where it almost becomes a parody of itself.

[Matthew Robertson]

Ah, if oly that was really satire...

I'm sure I read the original on a desperate pixel review site.

[Michel]

THIS parody is OUTRAGEOUS! A professional writer like Mike should KNOW BETTER than to poke fun at the DEDICATED amateurs who have been gathering so much USEFUL information about the Mycam. He should be HANGED for doing this and...

Oh wait.

[Gordon Lewis]

Interesting how the names change but the characters stay the same.

[Eric]

Hey Mike, I know what thread on which forum you're mimicking, and you just summed up everything about that website I don't like right here. Weirdly enough, that thread was the one where I saw the "primes went out with film" line!

[Paul Van]

wtglloyd, you didn't read every word?! Shame on you! I only read the names of the posters, that was all I needed to be able to see they don't know what they are talking about. Everyone knows not to trust people with numbers in the usernames. In fact the only people whose posts you should even read use 'user' as part of the name.

Cameraposer

Mike - great parody. Maybe Sundays should be for off-topic posts and Saturdays for parodies.

[Pat Janisch]

I have to turn off my computer and go for a long walk in the cool Wisconsin air now. This reinforces the nagging feeling that I spend entirely too much time in front of the computer and not nearly enough time behind the lens. Thanks for making my weekend Mike.

If only my own brain could work in this way.

(sigh)

[Barbu]

One more time, great SA* post :)
It's the longer (and much funnier) way to say that „arguing on the Internet is like competing in special olympics: even if you win, you're still challenged”.

I'd really like to see something more: the key for the names. As much as I can understand, Mycam could be Olympus (berrated for the lack of primes), but could be any camera brand, 'cause each and every one has its followers, its detractors and the converts from or to „Mycamera”.
Another long-shot (but I'd be luckier if this was less remotely true): Vueron=Pentax or Alpha (Sony/Konica-Minolta)?

[chuck kimmerle]

Ironically, that last photo was taken with the new MyCam 47J 28mm f/2 lens

[Withheld]

I know half them guys, and I think I'm in the middle somewhere. :-)

No seriously, I know them all, it's the DPR Oly SLR forum and the crotchety one goes by the name of Buttstrap.

Peace out

[J Brunner]

ROFLMAO!!!

Mike Rulz- this iz the funnest i have red in along time, makin fun of all thoz noobs!!! Mycam Roks, pul yer hed out!!
Vueron=LOOOZER!!!!! TO BAD YOUR DEAD!! HAHA
LOOZER!!!

[Philip]

I would be interested in purchasing your Mycam 47J. Please contact me as soon as possible!

Philip

[Bruce Appelbaum]

You mean this was all made up???

-----LensCappp

[Stephen Gillette]

Alert: Amazon is posting a killer price for the Mycam 47J (better than B&H!!!!) and free shipping. I'm ordering as soon as I post this...

[Stephen Gillette]

Oops...the price just went up...[sigh]

[walfredo]

AWOSOME, Dude!!!!! Yours ROCK!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Adam Isler]

Aside from the obvious fun here, the icing on the cake was all the delicious side-excursions to South Africa, Belgium and Thailand. And it takes a finely-tuned ear to come up with the excruciatingly authentic mis-spellings and grammar-os. Kudos. Tremendously entertaining.

[Andy Frazer]

MyCam Photos - C&C Welcome.

What's with everyone on this forum? I posted some photos from my new MyCam (S/N 0018043321) and asked for some comments and critique, and no one responded.

Isn't anyone on this forum interested in photographs? Or are you all just MyCam equipment geeks?

By the way, why hasn't Mike posted his in-depth review of the new full-frame MyCam 00D? It's been out for almost ONE WEEK?

[Michael]

The really sad part is if we are honest it could apply in varying degrees to all who take part in online forums. Shame on you Mike; remember "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"? By the bye does anyone know when the Mycam 48j is due out?

[Flaneur]

Awesome. Being in photo-related forums and mailing-lists for years, you just nailed it so fine.
You rule as a writer, but your satire skills are just superb...

[Eolake Stobblehouse]

You really should know that zooms are as sharp as primes these days. Have you read the studies?! I have read the studies!!
Pardon me while I jump up and down on the sofa.

[Tom]

You had me at "It is the latest WTF zoom type"

I can just [i]hear[/i] it being said in a wonderfully condescending tone.

[Carl Root]

Don't laugh . . .

In response to something I said on this blog a week or so ago, someone set up a temp email account just so he could send me my own personal "get a life" email.

and if you're still lurking . . .

(oh, never mind . . . )

[Damon Schreiber]

I'm speechless. You've outdone yourself, Mike!

Ironically I switched back from Mycam to Vueron because all the photos I sent to the Mycam online gallery were rejected. Snobs. The Vueron gallery better accept my work if they know what's good for them.

[Steve R]

Where's Maude when you really need her????

[Tom]

I believe I had an overnight stay in the Minneapolis jail for trying to use "a Zweebendorker adapter".

[Rob Young]

Hi Mike,

Very funny and very accurate, but...

Having made the mistake of reading comments under a couple of posts on other topics recently, I can safely say that you were way too understated and coherent. There are some seriously unhinged folks out there.

[Paul Norheim]

Mike,
I want to read more from "dingle+Berry", "Edward Arlington Edwards Esq.", and especially "beerdup"- he rocks (IMNSHO).

Once in a while, when the regular TOP comments get a bit serious and, well... boring, perhaps you could let "beerdup" and the rest of his friends make a few statements?

[Mike Johnston]

Paul,
What, you want me to play entirely by myself and let the rest of you go home? [g]

Mike J.

[Paul Norheim]

In theory you could do so, I guess. But I would prefer a mixture of real commentators and a few alter egos.
Are you familiar with the Portuguese poet and essayist Fernando Pessoa? He created several fictional characters, who wrote different kinds of poetry (one romantic, the other one more classical etc), and even with different theories about poetry and literature. And they argued with each other about how poetry should be written.

You could do the same with photography, cameras and lenses...
But of course: TOP needs a few real commentators! They add to the quality of this blog.

[Paul Amyes]

Dude are you some kind of commie pinko arts blogger or what? Every who is serious about photography knows that Mycam and Vueron have 99.99998% of the market and that a truly dedicated photo head will have both systems so they can compare captures at 500% on screen. Its only when you see the chromatic aberration on Sonisonic LCD wxga 32" wa screen that you can truly understand the benefit of multicoated apspherical concave retrofocusing miniscual lenses.

What is with these primes? They don't zoom. How lame is that? Means you have to walk around the subject before you take a picture. I didn't take up this hobby for the exercise.

And another thing why are lens caps black? If they made them out of some kind of translucent material like glass then we wouldn't have to buy UV filters by Zeisch to protect our investments. These cameras designers are so retarded they should really read this forum to learn how to build a proper camera. Everyone knows that a Canikon D5000 +1 chip inside the Olymtax 36DD body with a Zeisslander 9.5 - 42 2/3 mm lens would really rool.

[Mike]

You wrote that!!

Mike you have more patience than me:)

Mike

[Chris Norris]

I find this post scarily accurate. It sums up many things that bug me about many forums (and flickr groups) on cameras.

What makes it hurt, though, is that many people don't know where else to go. I honestly don't really know where to go to actually discuss photography with people. I can chat about gear, but I've gotten bored with most of the conversations about it.

So what's the alternative?

[Edward]

That's it, I'm changing my Dee-Pee review handle to "beerdup"!

great satire Mike!

[EllisV]

you sir, have far too much empty time on your hands --oops you just lost a lot o it writing this thing.

[Paul Kierstead]

I am chagrined to see that the bokeh of the MyCam lenses were not discussed, leading me to believe that none of the parties knew what was important.

[Chaz L]

OK, like I'm sure that most of you guys on the Mycam forum already know this stuff, but I just bought my Mycam47J and it ROCKS!!

But anyway, like I said most of you guys know this, I'm sure, but for my fellow noobs I'd like to point out a few things that I learned in my first few weeks with the camera.

It's really different than the one-use disposable cameras that I use to buy at, like, RiteAid or QuickCheck, but you can learn it if you try. You need to make sure that an SD card is INSERTED CORRECTLY in the Mycam 47J, or else YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE PICTURES!!! (Don't ask me how I learned this!!!).

You also need to charge and install the battery-- this is important-- or else (you guessed it) YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE PICTURES!!!

Like I said, this is really different than a one-use camera, but you can learn it if you try. After just a couple weeks with the camera, and leaving it on "green" and I'M GETTING AWESOME PICTURES!!!

I really appreciate the sharing of knowledge on this forum from some AWESOME knowledgeable people who know, I'm sure, far more about cameras than I do, LOL!!! Just thought my experience could help my fellow newbies, and I look forward to learning more about my new Mycam47J.

By the way, what accessories and lenses should I buy??? Thanks for helping out a noob!!! You guys ROCK!!!