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I think that you, along with many, mistake America for a nation ruled by laws: once it may have been, today it is no longer. This judgement is simply theatre: you will get in trouble if you use images controlled by rich and powerful men; the rich and powerful men will not get in trouble when they use the images that you thought, mistakenly, that you controlled.

Power and greed and corruptible seed seem to be all that there is, as one of your poets said.

Pretty clearly that's the right solution for here and now; though the human prompt put in at the start does give some connection to human agency.

As a lifelong science fiction reader, it's clearly not right that the decision focuses on "human". It's obvious to me that sentient intelligent aliens should have all the same rights under law as humans. (Robert A. Heinlein's story "Jerry Was a Man" is one of the earlier works on the topic that I remember, about a court case to establish the rights of an uplifted ape. David Brin has a series of books featuring an interstellar union of species that all practice uplift (and basically enslave their uplifted cousins; except for humans, who do not). But these things are not yet present on the ground and I suppose it's a bit much to expect lawmakers and judges to think that far ahead.

Here's a thought experiment. What if I wrote a graphic novel and I used AI for the illustrations? I create the characters, the plot, the dialog, etc. Then I instructed AI exactly how I want the characters to look and I gave AI detailed instructions for the layout of each individual cell in the graphic novel. Doesn't it feel like that type of artwork should be protected by copyright?

For the past year or two I've been following the photographer Timothy Archibald's ongoing work "The AI Camera Club". In this series, Archibald has created a fictional small town and his AI camera club documents the town much like the famous FSA photographers of the 1930s. It's a thought provoking artwork. It comments on (maybe lampoons) our reverence for historic photographers and the asthetics of 1930s photography as well as showing how AI can be used by humans to create unique images that can transmit new ideas about our world and common memories. Archibald's AI work is so unique that it feels like he should have copyright protection.

I wonder if there will be any appeals.

Be interesting to see what would happen when someone inevitably suggests replacing judges with AI. Or politicians.

agree with Steve R, the AI intrusion is bad enough as it is without 'copyright' protection. Consider the copyrights the developer have violated!

Machines are not people - yet US Courts have ruled Corporations are.
Crazy world, isn't it?

Hmmm, I asked Chat GTP to create the perfect camera that meets all human needs. It did! Patent office here I come.

"Here’s an AI-generated image of a "perfect" camera—designed with everything humans might want:

Compact yet powerful – A sleek, ergonomic design that’s easy to hold.

Advanced AI & Autofocus – Instantly recognizes scenes, adjusts settings, and ensures perfect shots.

Modular & Customizable – Swap lenses, grips, and viewfinders to suit any style of photography.

Hybrid Shooting – Seamlessly switches between high-resolution photography and 8K video.

Instant Connectivity – Wireless transfer, cloud backup, and direct sharing to social media.

Long Battery Life – Efficient energy use for all-day shooting.

Holographic Viewfinder – A futuristic feature for composing shots in 3D space."


My college staff account gets me full access to Adobe's "firefly" AI image generator.

We've used it extensively ever since, for copyright-free instant images for use in class learning materials without having to worry about permissions or attribution etc.

I note the output is somewhat comedic at times. This particular AI engine won't be stealing our jobs anytime soon.

Given that AI images cannot be copyrighted as individual artistic works I wonder if a personally selected and arranged group of AI images can be copyrighted on the notion that the art in question becomes one of CURATION rather than CREATION.

[I think so; again, read the comment by "Eckcooties" at the PP link. --Mike]

I could argue that a photograph treated with AI tools like DxO PRIME also meets the definition used by the judge. After all, every pixel of the original photo has been removed and in its place the software has substituted a pixel that it guesses viewers might like more.

The original photo is copyrighted, but the DxO PRIME'd image is not, because the original photo was just a prompt for this entirely AI-generated image.

[I would agree. But whether the courts will agree is a different story. --Mike]

Your post refers to "The Federal Appeals Court." There is not just one federal court of appeals. There are more than a dozen.

The opinion to which you referred was issued by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. There are also U.S. Courts of Appeals for the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, and 11th Circuits. Plus the Federal Circuit, which hears only case being appealed from the U.S. Court of Federal Claims.

Appellate courts are not bound to follow one another. The same issue being presented to another circuit could result in a different, even directly contradictory result.

[Thanks Gary. Fixed now, thanks to you. --Mike]

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