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Tuesday, 17 December 2024

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This sounds like Thom's area of expertise. I just like how Nikons work and feel. Unfortunately for the company, they made their first generation of mirrorless good enough that I have not had a reason to upgrade yet, and I was able to buy used. I have bought a few new lenses though. My absolute favorite recent Nikon purchase is a $200 F100 from KEH. So sturdy and competent and easy to hold. I forgot how much I like real viewfinders.
From what I gather, Nikon is doing well within its market share, profitable and building quite popular cameras. But Canon was always the mass appeal leader, and Sony has joined them there. If they were cars, Canon is Toyota, Sony is Honda, and Nikon perhaps is Subaru (less demand, loyal following).

Zeiss going down isn’t that surprising. They haven’t introduced new still photography lenses for ages and kind of seem to have given up on the market.

For what it is worth, this is a Flickr study from 2023 concerning the most used brands. Apple wins, Canon is not very far behind and Nikon is third. Also interesting is the popularity per country.

https://photorumors.com/2023/06/17/flickr-study-reveals-the-most-popular-cameras-around-the-world/

If you go to Enterprise rent a car, they rent way more Chevys and Dodges than they do good vehicles. ;-)

Rand

Perhaps the iphone is impacting the rental market. Bill

Mike --

I first shot Nikon as a student/PJ stringer in 1972. I bought an FM body when money allowed (1979) and have a string of them (including D80, D7000, D600 and D810) until last month.

I went Sony (A7IV) when i finally moved to mirrorless for one major reason: the open standard lens mount, which means a rich ecosystem of ever changing lens options. I care about -- and spend more money on -- the lenses than the bodies anyway.

So even though i love the Nikon CLS flash system, adios Nikon.

I still won't sell my FM3A film body and AIS primes though. It is too much fun to work that mechanical body and lens even without film in the body. It feels like a fine, precision, revolver to trip the shutter. Hah! I can pretend that i am Steve McCurry when i do so with the 105mm f2.5 mounted.

-- gary ray

One data point that's worth exactly what you paid for it (IOW nothing ;)

As a hotel clerk where I see more than a few wedding receptions, I see far more wedding phototographers with Nikon than with Canon. Almost all Z now. The few Canon are mostly still DSLR.

All tend to go ooh over whichever camera I have along that night (Leica M 240, Rolleiflex Automat or even my most recent Pentax K-5) as they seem to enjoy seeing something other than the usual cameras for change. The older ones & women love the Leica, the younger ones love the Rollei the best. The Pentax is usually more - oh, they still are out there? Cool!

Well no secrets here. Nikon was late to the mirrorless party. And with good reason in that their high end DSLR's were better than early mirrorless. For a while anyway but Sony kept on getting better and better, Canon followed suit with Nikon only 6 years into the mix with any kind of serious effort. Nikon Z's are fine cameras but if you are heavily invested in another brand are you going to sell off at a loss and invest in another brand that might not be any better than what you have?

If it's any consolation to Nikon, I wish I was a Nikon shooter rather than a Canon shooter. Canon has made it impossible for third party lens manufacturers to join their lens mount, and that's bad news for me. I can't afford most of the L lenses that I'm supposed to aspire to, and the non-L R-mount lenses have failed to hold my attention. I keep looking enviously at Nikon and Sony. Sony because everyone is free to play there, and Nikon because they're making lenses I think I'd like. Canon is heading in the wrong direction. If I had the money, I'd be looking seriously at Nikon and Sony.

I think I read or maybe heard on their podcast, but LensRentals is much more of a video rental place than an still photography place these days. With that bias, it's no wonder that Canon and Sony are much more often rented than Nikon. Even Blackmagic, Panasonic and RED, all more video oriented, are not all that far behind Nikon. I don't think Nikon being lower on LensRentals means anything except that they are more stills oriented than video.

I have been a Nikon owner for almost 30 years. I have read a number of times that Nikon users tend to know what gear they want and buy it rather than rent it. I don’t know if that statement is true, but a number of Nikon users seem to believe it.

It isn’t exactly true that Nikon was late bringing out a mirrorless system. They introduced a mirrorless system - the Nikon 1 system - back in 2011. It was based on a 1-inch sensor format, resulting in small, discreet cameras and lenses. Unfortunately, the system was poorly developed and marketed, and was discontinued around the same time that the Z-system was announced. The Z-system has been much much more successful.

Overall, Nikon seems to be hitting it out of the park with its latest offerings. Nikon’s latest camera, the Z50II, seems to be well liked by most who buy it. The same can be said of most of their current line of cameras. Most of their lenses, including the budget-friendly ones, are sharp and well behaved. Overall, Nikon has making the right moves of late. They might be focusing a bit too much on the high end equipment and need to pay a bit more attention to the low end. But for now, Nikon is doing fine.

The fast Canon RL zoom lenses are so terribly expensive that you do have to rent them, to work like a pro economically.

Do Nikon lenses still screw on BACKWARDS?

Bottom line for me was how great the Nikon Z bodies are for adapting manual focus lenses. I have a number of Leica M and LTM lenses (mainly Zeiss and Voigtlânder) that I use all the time.

I also have a couple of Z-mount Nikkors, an FTZ and about a million old manual focus Nikkors. They don't get much use because of those adapted M and LTM lenses. But I have them.

It could be other Nikon Z users are well stocked and don't need to rent much gear.

Maybe I'm not using their website correctly, but they seem to only stock non-Nikkor Nikon mount lenses.

"Nikon might be going downhill and losing its mojo in the market"

Of course this is hugely exaggerated. Nikon's market share of unit sales has been around 13-14% but their revenue share is about 25%. They seem to be emulating Apple here. I doubt if Canon and Sony do much, if any, better than that in terms of revenue.

Canon has about 3x unit market share of Nikon, but only about 2x revenue. Sony is about 2x for both. The thing is, both Canon and Sony have always buried their photo equipment revenues so deep in a mix with other more expensive products that nobody can tell with any certainty how they've been doing financially. What do they have to hide there?

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