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One thing I learned from Kirk Tuck's blog was it's OK to go out with a camera and enjoy photographing, and then come home and delete them all.

I've got a companion to these two good rules : take time to edit.
Always save your pictures when you get back home, but let the files sit for a time (a few months in my case) you that you're neither disappointed to have nothing, nor tempted to salvage something.

I find the Nothing Rule easier to follow when I shoot film. The time between taking the photos and seeing them dampens any expectations I have, positive or negative. It also makes me more open to spotting a keeper from any photos that I thought might end up in the reject pile when I pressed the shutter.

What is the intended use of the photos that have a high bar of being good enough? If it's just for my own hobby use, anything 'decent but not great', or better, is still getting basic editing and exported into my keepers folder. Only the best ones of these may be posted online, but there was no reason not to keep decent ones to look at again later for learning or rememberance of what I've done and where I've been (let's say they're travel pics).

When I occasionally work professionally, anything 'decent' still goes to the client (eg weddings, events) - the 'portfolio worthy' pics from any wedding might number in the low single digits but the client expects 5-800 pics.

These rules make perfect sense if the target is to print them (which has a cost) or to show them publicly either online or to submit to a competition or gallery etc. But if i go on a trip and come back with 1000 photos, I'm not going to reject them all, I'm still going to edit 100+ of them to have a personal gallery to look at later or show my family perhaps.

Very interesting rules though, but I think it depends on the target usage! If just as a hobby, the postprocessing is part of the effort and time put into the hobby? Otherwise quick rejections could be antithetical to the process of learning.

This should have been a Film Friday post.

Pivoting to how your Yes to No ratio improves when clicking the shutter costs money.

Nothing focuses the mind like when using a precious resource. Film.

I had a client when I was first starting out and was doing party photography that were mostly an even mix of fashion, models, celebrities, and funny, looking rich people. The client would go through a box of slide, separating it into two piles. One pile was in his opinion, publishable, and the other pile in his opinion all had something wrong with them. The second, unpublishable pile was by far more interesting than the publishable pile. So there is that. I lost all that color work in a move years ago to it makes no difference now.

I do still have some old black-and-white negatives from back then, and about half the rolls have between five and 10 shots where I wanted to finish up the role so that I had a full role in the camera or it was the end of the day and whatever event I was taking pictures of was finished.
Most of the time the stuff at the end of the roll 30 years later is vastly more interesting.

Anyway, Dirck Halstead has a much better story about the importance of never deleting anything.
https://digitaljournalist.org/issue9807/editorial.htm


With a photos, you can always come across a cropper.

If you’re not deleting at least 90-99 percent of your captures, you’re probably either exceptionally talented or a hoarder.

Mike: Cropping because that's how to get a "yes" is one thing, but. The "but" is that cropping in an attempt to salvage a picture, never mind how valiant the attempt, is...wrong. So wrong. Only you know the difference. But...watch for it.

I think you’ve qualified that assertion to the extent that it no longer really has any clear meaning. Cropping is like any other post-processing technique: tonal and color adjustments, perspective correction, removing visual elements in the image that simply distract, etc. Performed properly, alone or together, they can transform a capture that didn’t work straight out of the camera into one that really catches the eye of the viewer. I don’t entirely disagree with your point, but I think the way you asserted it is a tad too dogmatic.

I feel like the Emperor who had no clothes. I have to admit that when I have a picture that doesn’t work in color, I’ll switch it to black-and-white, then I usually convince myself it looks good. In fact, converting to black-and-white is one of my go-to pro editing techniques. I feel so exposed now, no pun intended.
📸😃👍

[I did say, twice, once at the beginning and once at the end, that I'm only speaking for myself. In fact I'm not sure any two photographers does everything the same, from initial thought to final form. --Mike]

I'm afraid I have to disagree. That said, I shoot everything in RAW format so the initial image that pops up in LR rarely looks like what my eye saw that prompted me to make the exposure. I treat the image that comes out of the camera as a painter uses underpainting. It is the basis for recreating what I saw and felt as a witness to the scene. If I ditched every image that required only a tweak here and there, I'd have nothing in my catalog.

I knew a guy who practiced what you preach. He shot slide film most of his life and he never learned editing even after switching to digital. He would get a batch of slides back and throw all but one or two into the trash. He left his digital camera set to shoot JPGs and did the same. What he kept was more 'camera' than 'photographer' IMO.

My point is that cameras don't create photos, people do, and cameras don't 'see' like we do. We have to coax the equipment and the process to create our images. Early B&W photographers didn't have the tools we have today. Ansel Adams was an innovator in expanding photographers' toolkit and the kit has been expanding ever since. I keep most of my images and look back at them periodically because the toolkit is constantly growing as is my skill. I have converted to B&W and re-edited several very old images that, at the time, I could not make the image feel like what I originally saw. Just like a painter, we learn with practice.

I know Mike, I just merely meant that by you speaking about yourself it made real something I knew about myself, but I didn’t want to think about since it always somewhat embarrassed me, hence feeling exposed.

Anyway it’s all good because we’re just basically talking about two-dimensional depictions of reality in rectangular or square shapes.

“Now when I talked to God I knew he'd understand
He said, "Sit by me, and I'll be your guiding hand"
But don't ask me what I think of you
I might not give the answer that you want me to

Oh well”

From the song “Oh Well” by the original Fleetwood Mac.

Never overlook opportunities to learn. How do you refine your editing skills? How do you measure your progress? As post-processing tools advance, so do our chances to explore and master innovative creative techniques. I embrace every opportunity to grow and improve. While some may only see a mess of broken eggs, others see the potential for creativity. Not everyone can look beyond the mess to see what’s possible.

"If something is not entirely a 'yes,' completely a success by whatever internal measure or instinct they use to define that, then it has to be the opposite."

If you throw out everything that does not initially "work", then you have no way to later revisit the images to see if you missed something or if another image from a set better says what you were trying to say. You also can't go back to learn from your choices later, even as your tastes change and evolve. Plus, throwing out images forecloses the possibility of future tech advances that can turn a slight miss into a keeper, and maybe into a favorite - something like denoise software or advanced sharpening tools that we now have but didn't a decade or longer ago.

Finally, it is a lot less consequential to throw out pictures from a routine walk in the park than from a vacation or family get-together - a distinction that seems important when talking about being cold hearted or whatever about deciding what to keep.

Your hobby, your decisions of course. But it seems a bit harsh/rash, even with all your disclaimers.

[I never throw out anything! --Mike]

I’ve not thrown much away in Lightroom, and occasionally I’ve resurrected something quite good. This week I’ve been ruthless. I don’t delete in camera but often delete on import, 80%, particularly if my engagement has been partial. I will convert from colour to black and white often, not because the colours are bad, but because colour is bad. Blotchy skin, distracting combinations of colour - they’re not part of the conception of the picture at all. I often shoot obligatory in black and white, Monochrom Leica or film, but I love colour, when colour is integral to the shot. Color photography is harder because the inevitable colour, or colours in the shot have to be justified.

An interesting analogy to being a poor editor of one’s own photography is playing an instrument. András Schiff described a crucial step in his early development as a pianist was being able to hear himself. Even if you do play the meaning of that might seem odd: of course you hear yourself. But you don’t. At 64 I’ve been limping along with the piano for exactly fifty years, with lessons from someone really good only for two years, over thirty years ago. Just in the last week I’m beginning to be able to hear myself more clearly. If it was anything else, or I was anyone else I should have given up. But like the light and the process of walking with a camera, I can’t, and won’t.

The interest in contact sheets such as the Magnum book in recent years lifts the veil on how the pros take a lot of shots. None of these things are easy. But we also know that burst mode on a DSLR ten per second will never get that shot that’s worth keeping. As you said, and Cartier-Bresson encapsulated it, eye and heart and mind on the one axis makes the picture. When you’re intensely engaged you may get the picture, and you know it at the time often. Maybe it wasn’t the one you thought because you didn’t yet open up a stop or you moved, struggling with 1/30s, but maybe it ends up being the one two frames later. It’s rare that you get a great shot when you figure maybe I’ll take the camera along. And if you’re visiting, or going with another person, forget it. That’s not successful photographing territory.

I tend not to delete because all sorts of things can change. I tried some experimental motion blurred photos in Hong Kong in 2016 - I had about 25 images with a couple of attempts for each image. I didn't like them and they seemed noisy and just too much work in post to do anything with. So I forgot about them. At the start of this year, I happened upon them looking in Lightroom for a different image, brought them up, twiddled and fiddled a bit - most significantly, I ran them through On1 No Noise AI and up-pressed them in Resize AI to 36 x 24 inches. Lo and behold! I had produced 10 images, which have been given a three month exhibition run all to themselves.

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