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Have you read “Monsters: What do we do with great art by bad people?” by Claire Dederer? I haven’t (possibly yet), but she addresses the same question. I have browsed it, and I believe that her view on Manhattan is the opposite of yours. She brings a very female sensibility to her reactions; is it possible that women judge art by men differently from how men do so?

[I think it's different with different individuals. By the way, I was once instructed to put a portrait of Woody Allen on a magazine cover, and my refusal to do so was one of the few things I went to the wall for. So don't imagine that I've completely forgiven him or that I indulge his transgressions; it's merely that I don't also condemn all of his art. (I also thought "Manhattan" was creepy, but that was just my personal reaction.) --Mike]

One of my favorite writers is Native American author Sherman Alexie (also my wife's favorite). He was canceled and pulled from many store shelves and classrooms a while back for having an affair with a student (an adult student, but much younger and someone whose work he promised to consider, the usual story). I still read and appreciate Alexie. He's brilliant, especially at memoir. I used to teach his short stories in my American Literature classes.

Karl Marx I've only come to appreciate the past couple years, but now I'm reading him with the same enthusiasm as I used to read Noam Chomsky. I'm in an online book group reading the new translation of Capital (Princeton edition), which is excellent when I understand it. The online group has over 150 readers, so lots of experts, and we go into breakout rooms for discussion. Early in life, Marx thought that revolution was inevitable. But he constantly revised his ideas and his major work, Capital. Later in life, he was more inclined to say we will either have some form of socialism, or common ruin. In other words, nothing is inevitable, but he could see the trend lines.

Mike, you might want to peruse Infinite Jest by the late David Foster Wallace. It’s a lengthy tome but well worth the slog: around a thousand pages. Wallace’s novel is crammed with amazing insights about drug and alcohol addiction, including a deep dive into Alcoholics Anonymous.

Some people have been validated or rehabilitated by history, although usually posthumously. Van Gogh is one such example - he never sold a painting while alive.

Bach is another example: it appeared that Bach's music would gradually become lost until revived by Mendelsohn in the late 1830s.

Civil War general and post-war President Ulysses Grant is yet another example. Grant was trashed by early historians, mostly Southern partisans of the "Lost Cause", in the first few decades after the Civil War as a drunk who headed a corrupt administration and as a butcher who bludgeoned "noble" Robert E. Lee with mass attacks that caused massed casualties among his own men.

Now, though, after more thoroughly researched and objective histories by the likes of Ron Chernow, Grant emerges as a champion of fair policies and reconciliation and also is seriously studied by professional military officers as the first successful modern general, who broke with the Napoleanic past and incorporated grand strategy and modern tactics into everything that he did.

You're letting Ezra Pound off very easy, with your mention of, as if in passing, "his collaborations with the fascists in Italy", with no further details.

Pound was a passionate antisemite, a fan of eugenics ("to conserve the best of the race") and an admirer of both Benito Mussolini and Adolph Hitler, to mention just a few of his better qualities.

Does any of this diminish Pound's talents as a poet, or the importance of his opinions on writing? Not a bit. On the other hand, defects of character such as these are not something to gloss over.

Yes, willingness. My Alanon program requires it.
I was unwilling to continue working at my job after my department was eliminated. I became willing to work in my new position for a year training my fellow workers and controlling my temper until my birthday when I retired. It was difficult not to storm out with curses but was the best thing I could do for myself and my family. My sponsors talked me through it, but it wouldn't have been possible without willingness.
I am now happily retired and get to do art anytime I want!

I think 12 step helps a lot of people but the idea of willingness is pretty judgemental for the people it doesn't work for.

Ideally we are all willing to fix the things that are wrong with us, but are we able? I am willing to eat less, exercise more, be smarter, be kinder. It is just that doing those things I find very difficult.

Addictive things are addictive because they are addictive. I'm staring at this phone at the moment instead of practicing the guitar in my hands because, for one, it's designed to take my attention. I have to fight with it every day to claw back part of my brain and I've been doing so for like 11 years. I'm willing to change it but to incorporate something into my life that is designed to be addictive is a daily challenge and I don't think pure willingness is really the issue.

I read an article once that stated that Woody Allen and his ex-wife were already estranged when she adopted Soon-Yi so that she was never in any sense his daughter. The article stated that Woody did not come to date Soon-Yi till she was already 21. They're still together, which should say something, but that fact is almost never dwelt on. She seems to be an intelligent independent woman, should it not be the default to think that she knows what she is doing. It seems incorrect to assume that she has no agency. Now I have no idea how true any of these details are, but they at least cast some doubt on the commonly held notion of him being a (near) pedophile. At the very least it makes me think twice when I read media, even more so these days.

OTOH, yes the film Manhattan creeps me out too.

Given the behaviour of many public figures these days, it seems almost quaint to worry about Allen's actions. It's no excuse of course, if he did do the worst things that are attributed to him, but he's no Weinstein, is he?

I looked up the synopsis of Mommie Dearest on Wikipedia. It appears that the scene containing the coathanger beating is in the movie adaptation.

Maybe the movie's embellishments and fictionalizations can be considered as unfair treatment, but I have to wonder if the denials of the accounts in the book, made by interested parties, are substantial enough that we can choose not to believe the book?

People are generally predisposed to disbelieve victims when they don't fit the description of an ideal victim (presumably Christina got to live in Joan's house for free and benefit in her career from Joan's reputation and connections, and she may have actually been an unlikable person). There is a constant pipeline of (mostly female) celebrities we can judge for not showing the gratitude we'd imagine ourselves to have when given the same material privileges, and the ingrained mistake is to think they have what they need to live fulfilling lives despite their upbringing.

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On the topic of Ezra Pound, there is an interesting profile of the English painter and novelist Wyndham Lewis, also a contemporary of Pound's and a fascist. It's titled "The Art of Being Wrong".

I highly recommend the new translation of Volume 1 of Capital!

I saw your photo of Pound behind frosted glass and thought--why is he showing a picture of Elmo. Not that Elmo isn't a profound philosopher in his own right...

I agree that reasonable people can disagree about how to treat each individual artist. When I saw Manhattan shortly after its release, it was generally socially acceptable yet I felt uncomfortable with the main character’s behavior, which of course was Allen reflecting on his own behavior (I do not claim any moral superiority from this. I took no action at the time and both sought out and enjoyed Allen’s other works). Today I can’t bring myself to watch any of it, nor do I try.

Similarly, I agree with your assessment of Michael Jackson. Yet I can’t resist his music. He was most likely a despicable human being, but was one of the premier musicians and performers of his time. I’m an amateur musician, and recently learned some of the parts to some of his most famous recordings. To me they are breathtaking in their simultaneous complexity and simplicity.

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