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First off, thank you for a wonderful rumination on the author/viewer duality of art.

I hated being forced to read "classic works" in English class as a lad, mostly because I hated writing school essays. "The Scarlet Letter," "Great Expectations," that sort of thing. I had a low opinion of books that fell into this category -- "boring" or "stale" or whatnot. A number of books in this category I avoided for the same bad reasons.

Later in my 20s, I started to wonder if I'd been spiting my face, so I revisited the books I had skipped. Lo and behold, they are fantastic! Without the pressure of school assignment, I was able to engage them as literature, not homework. And thus my appreciation was unlocked.

Finally, "Adaptation" is a fantastic movie.

Jamesian?? Coleridgean!

Mike

From what I remember of the Capa exhibition at the Barbican in London many years ago: the frames around the fallen soldier had the appearance of relaxed, good humoured propaganda shots, taken of the same group of soldiers, from an angle looking down into their fox holes or in profile - ie photographer not under fire.
The exhibition also showed magazine spreads of Capa's stories from the Spanish civil war.
One presented a photo of an explosion taken by the 'intrepid photojournalist' that was in fact a montage of two separate frames. They were joined to make it appear he was closer to the action than he was. (The separate frames were exhibited nearby.)
But I don't think it is a question of whether or not one believes Capa, as an isolated individual, because he didn't work in isolation. And I think the skeptical approach leads to a richer and more interesting meaning for the image.

I was at a recent photo exhibition and ended up taking a photo of the images short description about the image and the photographer. In equal measures I found the text hilarious and also totally annoying/bullshit.
It seems to me a photo interests or engages me but I dislike being told which emotions to feel or which emotions the photographer is representing.
Surely an image should stand alone. It either is worth a 1000 words or not and a curator's 1/200 word text is superfluous.

We project our own issues onto everything we see and everything that we idly think about.

If we examine our own life fearlessly, we can get to the point where all things are seen and experienced as neutral. Which they locigally must be in truth, given that they're meaning only exists as a fleeting thought from an ever changing perspective.

What an interesting and thought provoking post, it reminds me of the insight applied to your New Yorker article, I wish this would find similar success!

You did however almost lose me in the first section, with no interest in 12-step programs, or anything religious. I almost skimmed the rest of it and might have missed the other insights!

Adaptation is a fantastic movie, I think of it as a screenwriter adapting an unadaptable book, such that he has to write himself into the adaptation (as twins), in the process of trying to adapt it!

I was looking for a single Shakespeare quote to sum all this up in a way that makes me look clever, and found this theater blog on a quote that's a fair bit like your excellent post!

https://www.delawaretheatre.org/single-post/2017/01/19/-e2-80-9cto-hold-as-e2-80-98twere-the-mirror-up-to-nature-e2-80-9d-purpose-and-perspecti

You don't talk here about photography having one foot in art and one foot in historical documentation (and one foot in fantasy-land; photography is apparently a 3-legged Martian). I think it's important, not because those are sharp lines, but because they aren't—the Robert Capa photo is both art, moving us emotionally but also (probably; I tend to agree with you) telling us something true.

Fiction in books has the same aspect, even less often recognized. Books of any interest are, in the end, about our world. A book can be beautifully written and contain engaging characters—and be so freighted with untrue views of the real world that many of us find it intolerable.

“And the resulting event-specific alchemy is what creates the work of art. It's not necessarily contained in the work itself; nor is it entirely about your understanding and feelings. It's the intersecting of the two.”

I’ve often pondered how to define whether a photograph is a ‘snapshot’ or a more meaningful work of art. I think you have summed it up very well with those words,

I have to say what a brilliant piece of writing.

You've done a lot of thinking for this post, and have stimulated consequently a lot of thought. Well done.

Adaptation was a clever movie. Puns within puns. Plots within plots. A matryoshka dolls of a movie.

Great expansion on the Ansel Adams quote about there being two people in every image, the photographer and the viewer. One of your deepest and best post's ever, thank you for this.

This seems to me to concern the distinction between self-expression and communication. The first lies in what the artist, writer, blogger wants to get off his/her chest; the second, much more difficult, is to transfer some idea/image/feeling to another person. The first is not to be despised, but is more limited. I once wrote a trio of sonnets about a certain historical situation, and concluded that it exactly expressed what I wanted to say. But it required a background and understanding of the context that almost no one has, so its communication value is tiny. The irony is that, when I was learning about forms of poetry in school, I despised those that needed special knowledge or conventions, as being a sort of secret code.

The existence of Bible literalists in one camp and allegorists in another illustrates what William Empson said in Seven Types of Ambiguity: ‘We make the music that we imagine ourselves to hear.’

Thankfully, the allegorists can make their music today without the risk of the literalists burning them for heresy.

[Have I actually just met another person who's read Seven Type of Ambiguity? --Mike]

Great read - thanks !! One thing which resonated with me in particular:

Among people working professionally with communication, an old saying is I say what you hear, i.e., that you must always respect that the "recipient" might perceive something else than what you intended to convey with your message (which could be in any medium, of course).

Oh, and I have read Gulliver's Travels a few times :-) One surprise was that it describes several more worlds than the two familiar ones - Lilliput and Brobdingnag (the land of Giants)

We recently spent an evening shooting with a photographer less than half our age. He took up photography and bought a fuji 100s and some nice lenses. I was amazed at how he saw - completely different than the how we looked at things. I learned so much watching him.

Sharon

Another excellent post, Mike.

Somewhere I came upon an enlightening photo by Allen Ginsberg of Jack Kerouac with a lengthy caption, handwritten at the bottom. The copy was not a plain description, but a few sentences of feelings he had at that moment, not literal. Granted, Ginsberg was an accomplished poet, and maybe he was just doing his thing. His “tag” for the photo led me to explore what I could add to my own photos, maybe as a direction for the viewer to take. Some may say that the picture should stand on its own, or that if one is a competent enough photographer, one would’nr have to add anything, but still, someone, somewhere is probably going to caption or explain it anyway if it survives…

Hey Mike, there’s this guy, Roland Barthes, you’d probably like him.

I totally felt Karen's terror in Goodfellas, convinced that death was lurking in the warehouse. As for Robert Capa's "The Falling Soldier," I believe it's the real deal. Roger Fenton's "Valley of the Shadow of Death," on the other hand, leaves me unsure, but it gives me the creeps every time I see it.

I haven't seen the movie Adaptation yet, but I want to. After some online searching, I found that YouTube is currently offering it. For those interested, it's under $5—a bargain for a good dose of Nicolas Cage! I'm looking forward to watching it.

Thank you, Michael, for the excellent reading material!

I'm bothered by your assertion that "It's a matter of taste," is always dismissive. For example, some people don't like asparagus. It's a matter of taste, and doesn't make those people inferior in some way. Now asparagus isn't art. But what form of words would you use to say that you don't appreciate some work of art or some genre without dismissing its value? For myself, I'm willing to admit that a particular style or genre is excellent while still not particularly finding it engaging. I trust the opinion of others whom I believe to be sincere and knowledgeable. In some cases, I've had the experience of not "getting" some artwork that others praised highly, and subsequently finding that it has value and depth that I just hadn't seen originally. How would I state my original state of mind? My taste at that point wasn't sufficiently developed, but it wouldn't be reasonable to simply dismiss the work either.

I actually read the easily available Errol Morris and Susan Sontag long-winded opines and concluded that credibility is the issue. Do we believe the photograph through our personal bias filters or do we conclude that it makes sense to us visually or logically or do we accept the photo as it is or do we decry it as outside of our belief systems or do we ascribe value to the self-appointed photo gate keepers of authenticity? Lots of words about pics that remind me of "dancing about architecture". Pics can lie literally but they can also tell stories that are still true.

Two pics of a cannonball strewn road that has/doesn't have enough cannonballs to get the viewer's attention or tell the photographers story are as found (or added) - shrug. As photographers, we all tell visual stories. We're storytellers using cameras. Our credibility as storytellers is the question. The quality of the two pics makes any reliable analysis impossible. Were the cannonballs picked up from the side of the road and placed on the road or were they removed from the road? The two pics accurately depict a military disaster involving lots of cannonballs - either way.

Credibility in photography is a challenge to thoughtful photographers that know full well how photography excludes or includes, changes three dimensional space deliberately through focal length and camera position. Is any photograph reality? Do any two humans share visual perception or interpretive baggage they carry? The best a serious photographer can do is accept all of this and be mindful when they present their visual ideas as shared pics that tell stories.

Dancing about visual integrity - (Hard to Build - Easy to Break) ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-TflyvzrwY

Susan Sontag and I apparently share a bone marrow cancer failure and an adventure through cancer land. I can't agree with her much on photography. Her book on illness does resonate with me though.

Storytelling is one of our best human traits - visual or otherwise. We should appreciate those that strive to attempt to share their stories with all of us - and ...

Remember to dance every now and then,
Ed

While our attitudes to photographs has changed and may change how we view a photograph, so to has the amount of research and information available in the appreciation of a photograph. I reading all three episodes of the research into the photograph of the Valley of the Shadow of Death, I assume that you are open to learn about new information about the photograph and alter or not your thoughts based on this. One does not need to worry about whether Fenton lies or not. He is silent on the issue.
Alternately, as regards The Falling Soldier you don't seem to acknowledge new information about the photograph, relying on your belief that Capa wouldn't lie. Based on?
Despite your belief in Capatian honesty, in his first book, Death in the Making, Capa claims authorship of all the photographs, including ones now known to be have been taken by both Chim and Gerda Taro. Taro had just been killed two months earlier. The cover art is the Falling Soldier photograph, which is not printed inside the book.
Which only goes to say that the meaning of a photograph truly remains the interpretation of the viewer in whichever state of mind they are.
A thought provoking article.
Well done.

This is what I like about your posts here, Mike, this is great!

I am not a person of faith - I'm not a believer in a higher power. This translates to some significant ambivalence when I look at art with a religious subject - which of course covers most renaissance art! Even to the point where I can engage fully with Van Eyck's Arnolfini Portrait but less so with his Annunciation pictures. (Of course, I'm in awe of the technical brilliance of all the art I've just mentioned.) But when I see Dutch Golden Age painting - Rembrandt, Vermeer, Hals, and so on - I'm overwhelmed. The understanding and empathy that these artists showed for the human condition astonishes me. So for me, that fundamental position I hold affects how I perceive things and my response to them.

And on how our tastes change as we age - oh yes! When I was a young adult I loved John Fowles' The Magus. I haven't dared re-read it for decades....

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