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Think I'll pass, that was enough fun for one afternoon.

mike, you should definitely listen to Wagner after that post!

Creating linguistic definitions of visual images is difficult. As Justice Steward Potter famously said of the meaning of the term "hard-core pornography", "I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that": 378 U.S. at 197, concurring. It's why pictures are said to be worth the proverbial 1000 words...

Holy sh*t Mike. What an insightful post on a such a dense dense subject.

Two things. Aren't there always two things? Hmm.

1. There is an incredible book on forgiveness (that I won't name) that though translated into scores of languages other than English, hit a strange bump. Did you know that the term/notion of 'forgiveness' simply doesn't exist in many cultures?

2. Nothing unites like a common purpose. Purpose is the giver of meaning to life. There is great hope in this world yet.

3. Bonus thing! Because the French dictionary has so few words (is it 1/3 that of the English dictionary?), translations are extremely subjective.

Interesting post, and one that resonated with me immediately. There are many, many 'very good' photographic images (and I've taken one or two myself) but very few that actually speak to me, or take my breath away (and I don't think I've taken any). Increasingly I'm finding that the ones that do are frozen moments that we don't normally see because they're over too fast; the best of these (for me) are often 'birds in flight' images. Alternatively, I'm finding that images of flowers or gardens speak to me - I've got several of the annual 'International Garden Photographer of the Year' books (available from the wonderfully-named igpoty.com website). But photographic portraits - not so much.

Whereas when it comes to art, it's often portraits that hit me. Some of Rembrandt's, for example, or Frans Hals - I was fortunate enough to get to an exhibition of his work in London last year, possibly the biggest ever such exhibition. And some landscape art, widely-defined; for example, I found Turner's 'Fighting Temeraire', although very well known, supremely beautiful when I actually looked at it for real.

I'd like to think that I aspire to such work but I suspect that I don't, really. For example, it takes a lot of work, total knowledge of the camera, innumerable early mornings/late nights and many, many attempts before you take a breath-taking bird picture. I don't think I've got the motivation to do so.

What is the point of a photograph, or any work of art? There are works pleasing in their execution they seduce, others that graphically provoke, but then there are those that strike you to your core, such that you can't ignore them or escape their impact on your psyche. This can vary among viewers, and so becomes problematic when some other person attempts classification. Simplistically, but brutally true, "Art is in the Eye of the Beholder".

Mike, you have nicely distilled the concepts of punctum and studium (I think; not having read the original). I suspect, however, that there is a way to say what Barthes wanted to say, without the "tortuous" and "inscrutable" language (to use your words). But clear language might not seem as profound.

I don't understand why the Americans like Barthes so much. It's typical French "philosophy": big-mouthed phrases which at the end mean nothing;"faire des phrases", as they say. His only decent book is Incidents, which I once peeped into at Joseph Gibert, when there was still a Joseph Gibert bookstore in Paris; at least there are no phrases there, but it casts a rather disgusting shade on his personality.

What's needed when it comes to making pictures is a little less conversation and a bit more action.

[Well, the conversation part is the part we do here.

Along these lines, my former teacher Mark L. Power described the working process as, "Think, shoot, think." The shooting part is important, but so is the thinking part. --Mike]

Reading this post, I thought instantly of the famous photo often referred to as the "Kent State Massacre."

Wikipedia

Searching for it now, I see that many different versions (crops) have been published over the years and many leave out bystanders appearing to casually walk past the scene -- not important for a front page perhaps but certainly important for a complete telling of the tragedy.

tl;dr - nobody knows why certain pictures work, whereas others don't. Corollary: It is impossible, as a conscious and planned effort, to take a picture that works. If you happen to succeed, be grateful for the gift that's been given to you. Don't question your success - "warranty void if seal is broken".

Photographs are mysterious things. One can sympathize with an intellectual like Barthes trying understand them verbally; even though he knew that he was doomed to fail, he gave it a good try.
But words are the wrong tool to comprehend the mystery... what is the right tool? I don't know- which is probably one reason that I continue to make photographs.

Another, albeit completely antithetical, approach was exemplified by Minor White, Wynn Bullock, and others - developing one’s own depth and insight and then letting images happen spontaneously. Of course, that also imposes pretty strict post hoc curation to weed out the images that don’t quite make it.

After reading Barthes and Sontag, I had the sense that both strained to impose an intellectualized theoretical system upon what is essentially an intuitive, non-verbal medium. That can be a useful adjunct to serious image-making and art, but it is untenable as the foundational guide, tending ultimately toward the formulaic and constraining. To me, it is the modern equivalent of the French Academy in the 1800s, which suppressed the “unorthodoxies” of the Impressionists, Post-Impressionists, etc. whom we now value much more.

I tend to grouse about weird made-up terminology (when we all still know who made it up!), but for doing difficult thinking, there's something to be said for making up your own term. It helps keep you from being sucked into the vortex around standard terms!

Of course, both people whose ideas turn out to be of interest, and those who don't, are likely to make up terms, either for the reason above or just because they think that's how you're successful as a modern philosopher. Doesn't help to sort the two types out, sadly!

”Society is concerned to tame the Photograph, to temper the madness which keeps threatening to explode in the face of whoever looks at it.”

Substitute Roland Barthes for Society in this start of his final chapter and it becomes more accurate.

As it happens, I ran across a free used copy of Camera Lucida in New England last Fall. I’d always, in a very low key way, felt I was failing in some way as a photographer by not reading it. Fate then stepped in a second time, landing us in an AirB&B at the end of a road in rural Maine, as we self quarantined; one may hardly stay with friends when COVID positive.

I read Camera Lucida in a very leisurely way, mostly sitting on a deck looking out over woods and meadows, with a distant view of the Penobscot River. I interspersed reading it with The Pocket Book of American Painting a rather good book from 1950 and a book on drawing.

This may be significant, reading Barthes out in sun and open air, his photos interspersed with other forms of visual art and vistas of nature.

I came to the concusion that this book is much more about Roland Barthes than about photography. As I read, I found my self more and more thinking it must be so, that he was projecting his own inner material on images, then acting as through it was external. So, I looked him up. Indeed, as I suspected, he was gay and lived with his mother for 60 years. In addition, he was very sickly in youth and early adulthood, which dovetails nicely with some of his image choices.

There are, of course, many ways to understand this book. For me, I was a public exposition of his on going struggle to understand himself, although apparently not particularly effective.

Virtually all the photos in the book are of people, and either portraits or posed, in the sense that the subjects are interacting with camera/photographer. I thought at first one photo was strangely missig people. Look closely at CHARLES CLIFFORD: THE ALHAMBRA (GRENADA). 1854-1856. There is a small person (child?), alone, outside the fancy abode. His comment is "I want to live there ...", the inner feeling of one who is an outsider.

This was his last book. He died shortly after in a traffic accident. Suicide by vehicle is a possibility that seems not unlikely, after reading the book, especially in his mood after his mother’s death.

Barthes’ punctum is a kind of Bloomian misprision, a creative misreading. It is a term that is also, like much of Barthes, sexually charged. It always causes me to think of The Ecstasy of Saint Teresa. Both works play by a different set of rules than what they describe (the title, for example, is more studium then punctum). Barthes’ writing is playful and his many double meanings is what makes him an interesting read.

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