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Instead, maybe you should find a used D800 so you can fully remember why you really disliked "big SLR's". ;-)

It is good value only if you already own compatible lens and are committed to using dslr cameras and related lens for the foreseeable future. If you have to buy lens for this camera then you are investing in outdated stock and locking yourself into that legacy.

Modern lens are better and lighter and more powerful. I just upgraded from the Sony 70-200f4 to the Sony 70-200f2.8 v2. Several reasons, but 1) not much heavier than the f4. 2) full advantage of f2.8. 3) absolutely incredible responsiveness and focusing speed. To purchase it I traded in all remaining Canon glass I had gathering dust plus my Sony f4 for practical zero nett hit on my credit card.

If you follow Kirk Tuck, you will see that the used shelves of camera stores are full of DSLRS that are not moving.

1) You can write it off on your taxes.
2) You'll have to research and then choose lenses for it (same).
3) Your next columns will write themselves; a) it has gorgeous image quality and b) it's too big for me.
4) Then you can sell it and write about how you miss it.
5) So what are you waiting for?

I'll never buy one, I'm decades too long with Nikons (and I detest Canon's interface), but I always like to hear your thoughts.

Earlier this year, I bought a Canon EOS-RP - a nice size to hold for small hands - and am having lots of fun using various adapters (for M lenses, L39 lenses, M42 vintage lenses) to shoot with it. The price was under $1000.

It's at the tip of my tongue to say it's a Leica M digital camera killer but hesitate because they are not the same in terms of pride of ownership. Nevertheless, all digital cameras have a limited lifespan and every one will conk out one by one. The sad part is that, by then, repairs and parts will not longer be available. It makes little sense to splurge on an electronic camera.

I have the luxury of not needing any camera, so when I lust after cameras, I don't need to be rational (except about the price). These days, image quality is (for all intents and *my* purposes) a wash, so the main source of my GAS are the haptics. This is why, for example, I prefer the Pan. GX7 to the GX8, and why my current camera is the Fuji XT3.
And this is also why Canon cameras have never appealed to me.

If the 5DSR is the 5D III with more megapixels, then I am glad I still have my 5D III. It's a tried and true camera and not unlike the Timex watches,'it's taken a licking and kept on ticking'. The 22 mps are plenty. The added plus is battery life.

I didn't say *I* was looking for another camera... - Mike, on Monday.


With utmost respect, Mike, you should do whatever you'll find fulfilling, but...I honestly don't know what problem you'll solve by buying another camera that you can't solve with the cameras...you already have.

Maybe this is a "habit" that bears self-reflection, along the sensibilities described by James Clear?

I'm going gently suggest once again that you'll likely find more photographic opportunities, and more fulfillment, by putting those funds towards a week at the Grand Tetons...

all best, Stephen, your friendly neighborhood molecular biologist

You can probably pick up a used 5DS from a reputable dealer for about $1k. Maybe even from your friends at Lensrentals; as they sell their gear. Unless your GAS is more about obtaining something shiny and new, apart from the (more boring) shooting thereafter.

Two things that may help?:

1. Warren Buffet’s maxim ‘You’re only saving money if you were going to buy it in anyway’

2. I happened to be reading a short book about Zen Buddhism today, one of the aims, it seems, is not frugality but sufficiency. Buy something of value and treasure it, use it for as long as you possibly can, let it become part of you, do not seek more than you need.

As a fellow sufferer on the road of GAS I offer these not as admonishments, but as ideals that I too am daily failing to live up too.
With best wishes for a successful GAS wrestling outcome-whatever that me be.

LOL, as you’ve stated previously, something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it.
Say you bought it as NOS. Tried it, and then wanted to sell. What are used prices like? I haven’t looked so don’t know.
It may not be such a bargain by comparison.

Seeing the inverse in Australia in housing & cars. With supply chain issues, new cars take a very long time to deliver, so used cars are now in demand (we’ve been looking). For my budget, I’m about to buy a low Km 15 year old car, trading in on a 10 year old car. It’s crazy.

Housing peaked massively up until a month or two ago.
Great time to sell while values are up. And by comparison, awful time to buy, and yet interest rates are still very low - although now rising.

I always enjoy seeing Charlie Brown's aaaaugh here at TOP. Lol.

Just think about how much longer Canon will be willing and able to service it. I don't know myself, but maybe five or seven years?
But I agree, it's a great camera, even better at that price.

I'm sure you could buy a buggy whip for half the price when it was clear that the horseless carriage was going to dominate the transportation mode of choice.

I already own a DSLR with killer lenses and can't make myself lug it around since mirrorless came into my life. If one in my brand came up for an equally good price and with me already having all the glass that I'd need, I'd still pass. Don't need two DSLRS collecting dust.

With prices going lower and lower on DSLRs, the used market for selling them is likely dead. If you buy it, it is yours to keep unless you want to sell it back for pennies on the dollar.

Don't forget the extra couple of thousands for lenses! (but not all at once)

Imagine the camera was second-hand, but had never been used. It went from $3900 to $1500 in 7 years, that's a 13% depreciation per year. It's not a very bad price, but it isn't a bargain either. At a more reasonable 18% depreciation per year, it would be at a smidgen under $1000 now. Then again, it's a shop selling it, and they still want to make a decent profit.
Electronics age, and the older the camera the sooner it will become difficult to repair. I believe it doesn't matter that much if it is 'new' old stock or if it has indeed been bought by someone and very lightly used.

I came very close today to buying a used Ricoh GR III today. I had a GR years ago and thought it was terrific, if limited. I still have large prints made with it on my wall.

Thankfully, the seller had committed to selling to someone else already. I say "thankfully" because I don't need it. All the reasons I quickly invented for why I really needed it were magical thinking. There's a reason I sold the first one, and that reason has not changed. I simply don't need it and won't use it if I buy it.

Stay strong (unless you have an actual problem for which it's a solution, in which case .... ).

As I mentioned in comments on a different post, I recently availed myself of a factory store sale-priced refurbished OM-D EM1 mkii for $450. I think that's a bigger fall from retail. What I received looks like NOS. As if They don't want to poison their full stock but needed cash from folks looking for bargains.


Have you looked at Canon's EF 40mm pancake lens? That's all you'd need.

Your argument in favor of that Canon sounds a lot like me when I'm looking at Nikon D610's on Ebay. It's especially hard for me to avoid since I already have a boatload of manual focus Nikkors I use on my D7100.

Good luck wrestling with that temptation. I'd advise at least two falls out of three ;)

Does it have to be new, Mike?

Check out the used inventory at our friend Kirk's favorite camera store in Austin. Or look into what MPB has. Lots of low mileage items there.

DSLR's are going the way of the buggy whip.

Mike, please stop with all these great teasers to spend our money 😃.
I mean really a Canon DSLR ? Big cameras big lenses, expensive lenses, yeah right sell all my SONY mirrorless stuff for first the OLMPUS OM1 now the Canon. How about a running a bakers dozen iPhone only contest or maybe you should take 3 iPhone photos a day, every day for 3 days, the 3 photos each day = 1 each using the 3 lenses. No more almost buying cameras, take pictures.

No, don't bother. What will this achieve photographically that you can't do now? Especially if you do not make giant prints. Do you have Canon lenses? I'd suggest you revive your Fuji system.

Drop the phone and step away from the computer, Mike. It’s not worth it, man.

The 6D II is half the megapixels, not half the resolution. The 6D II has roughly 73% of the resolution of the 5DS R.

I'm always battling low level GAS, like you Mike, and I've been daydreaming about a new camera for some time. I have an OM-D E-M1 Mk1 and a few lenses, nothing special. But newer and better beckons, as always.

One thing keeps going round in my head: "No-one ever got fired for buying IBM." Substitute Canon and it's the same. Great cameras and the new R line looks good.

But I don't have any Canon lenses, whereas I have four which I could use immediately on a Sony body (one kit zoom and three Zeiss Contax G with Shoten AF adapter). So Sony looks more logical, and an APS-C sensor A6xxx beckons.

But who am I kidding? I used to carry a camera at all times but my phone does the job whenever I feel the need to take a picture now. Since the pandemic set in (I haven't caught it and I'm quad-vaxxed), I go out less and less, concentrating on photo books (historic family photos) and memoir writing. And wasting time on YouTube. I can't justify a new camera. Sigh.

To help you along :-) I'd be very interested (really) of a comparison between premium tech from then 2012 / 2015 and premium tech in that category from now. Ease of use to how much actual difference there is in quality of photograph and whatever else you think is worth a look.

Mike, do you know what you can get an A7R II for these days?

Same lens mount as your a6600....tempting.....

Miles better DR than the 5DS R... https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon%20EOS%205DS%20R,Sony%20ILCE-7RM2

Don't do it. Please. Spending $1500 on something you don't need is still a waste if $1500 however much it was reduced from.

Mike, I don't understand - why not go for the used market?

I remember another commenter recently mentioned their sub-1000 purchase of a used D810. I'd say this is the best way to purchase cameras as a hobbyist at the moment; go for ~5 year old used high quality DSLR gear, ideally with a matching large market for used older lenses.

Nikon F DSLRs fit that perfectly. I myself bought a D810 for 500 Euros (heavily used at 300k shutter actuations) and had it serviced for 150 Euros. Looks as good as new and works perfectly. I use it mostly with old manual focus lenses that usually cost around 200 per lens - thanks to the lens compatibility, there's a huge back catalog flooding the used market.

Don't do it Mike. Most of us suffer from GAS from time to time but it's usually a waste of resources. What about lenses? You will need some top end glass to take advantage of the 50mp. If you don't already have them it's going to cost a whole lot more.
You will be buying into a dying system with more megapixels than you need. Think what you could do with that money to give yourself a life experience.

Don't do it

I've fought - am still fighting - the same spiritual battle with Nikon's D750 and Z5. This, because my D700 froze with its mirror in the up position, giving me a very expensive kind of paperweight. Nikon no longer supports it, and the Spanish importers say it can't be fixed without the missing factory support. Were the D700 still working, it was all the camera I needed. Those two aforementioned cameras are supposed to be possible replacements for it...

I had a lovely HP B9180 Pro A3+ printer that allowed me very nice black/white prints until, you guessed it, just as with the D700, the manufacturer deserted it and it became the de facto heaviest lump of crap in the office, where it lay, metamorphosing from object of love into focus of hatred.

As a result, I came to realise that amateur printing - much as with amateur photography - has no particular benefit to bestow upon the individual's life. It simply forms a secondary, would-be confirming part of a deeper, self-inflicted delusion, is but the extension of the prime deception, that as amateurs, we have something that we absolutely "need to express". In reality, nobody else (least of all other photographers) wants to know anything about what we shoot, and even less about what we print. Worse than the olde worlde slide-show, the poor viewer might even be expected to offer to buy a print, Lord save us! I have boxes of fine, Hahnemuehle prints that I once loved and admired, that I can no longer bear to look at, never mind face the upheaval of digging out of the cupboards, knowing that they will then have to be put right back again from whence they'd just been exhumed.

Realising all of this should make it easy to ignore the thorny subject of replacement cameras. Unfortunately, it still, periodically, leads to about two weeks of intense worrying about it, until common sense prevails and/or something truly important slips unbid into my life and gives me cause for genuine concern. My finger has hovered over the Buy button so often, but I guess that carelessly willing finger can't overcome the basic intelligence that whispers fool, no!

Ask yourself: how would your life be changed for the better if you bought that Canon? As Omar Khayyám might have remarked, that Canon might profit from such a move is neither here nor there.

What about lenses, Mike? Do you have the lenses for it?

When the Nikon D850 drops to that extent, I might not be strong enough to resist (I have a good selection of appropriate Nikkors) -- even though I'm very happy with my m4/3 gear.

Canon being my anchor brand since forever, I eagerly rented a 5DS R when they were introduced. It’s basically a 5D III with a bigger file…and slightly less versatility. It was fine but didn’t bring anything new to the party. I passed on owning one, and eventually moved into the 5D IV.

Perhaps I’m biased because I’m currently selling my 5D IV and most of my remaining EF lenses this month. But I wouldn’t vote for this “deal”. Rent one if you really itch. But Canon has moved on to mirrorless with their terrific RF line. Better and more versatile in every dimension. If you’re going to genuinely invest in Canon give yourself a solid first step with a lightly-used R body.

MikeR- Please note via the time stamp who made the DSLR=buggy whip analogy first. Great minds...😀

After many years I have figured out the solution to the pain of G.A.S. Just buy everything you are interested in. All of it. Sure, you'll need extra outlets for all the battery chargers and you'll probably be three or four systems deep on lenses but then you won't have to make any choices.

But really? A DSLR? Seems like a play for becoming retro...

I really wish Canon and Nikon had made the leap like Pentax into IBIS DSLR bodies, because then I actually would think about buying one to keep around, and I suspect quite a few other people would too. I know people dismiss Pentax as a serious player, but they were smart with IBIS. Now people who downplayed it are enjoying it on mirrorless cameras and likely would not go back.

If you really wanted to go opposite of the iPhone, you could always go with a large format camera. That's about as far away from iPhoneography as one can get. I know a guy that has a really nice Wista:


It comes with a delightful little lens, too (just handled one of these gems yesterday, they're stunningly small and light!):


More fun than a chonky, old DSLR by a mile.

"I'm still out on the ledge, to be frank. I've been reading reviews for two days."

Boy, do I know that feeling! Go spend a day playing pool. Get your mind off it for a while. Afterwards, you might be able to think about it more objectively. I don't think you need a new camera, especially not one from a different system. I bet you don't have any Canon lenses.

How is the Canon different from the D800 you couldn't seem to warm up to?.
50mp is not really a big jump from 36. Not being snarky just asking.
I get nasty outbreaks of GAS too. Right now it is for a large format Canon or Epson pigment printer.
I hate to put it this way but one thing about GAS is that it generally passes.

I paid full price for my 5DsR and no regrets. I mostly do landscapes at ISO 200 and the results are incredibly good. I'm tempted to by a second body. I do print large (24X36) and results are wonderful.

That Sigma appears to have more sharpness than I'd ever need, or would know what to do with, and the bokeh is not bad at all. Is that the lens that rattles when it's off?

Why though. If you want a full frame Canon DSLR, you can buy one used for so little money.

Mike: Please explain this in a post. Why not buy a used camera? Is this a you thing? Or is it a general principle that should be applied. For my part, I have had plenty of success buying used. Have I been just lucky?

Not printing large? Well, I’ve sorta been on a big kick and maybe a high MP camera (though I’ve never been a Canon fanboy, at least except for maybe the F1) would be fun. I mean, the big print of Peter’s bistrot in Paris, taken with my iPhone XS looked kinda good. Try it … you might like it.

The Pentax K-1 is considerably more compact that the Canon. It's available used for under a grand. As Mike surely knows, a with a couple of Limited primes, it's very easy to carry and handle. Mine feels like an improved version of my beloved Sony A850

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