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Wednesday, 05 February 2020

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It's the X100v[ifth], clearly.

...roman what?

"When you've updated your camera three times and you've already run through the X100, X100s[econd], X100t[hird], and X100f[ourth], what do you call the fifth? Not F, because that's already taken.

Roman numerals to the rescue!"

Well don't I feel thick?! The meaning of those suffixes never occurred to me!

Anyway, I have not been a devoted frequent user of my X100F (or its alphabetic predecessors). Honestly, my little X-T30 does more better and with more versatility. But the new X100V ticks-off the feature improvements that I long ago determined would prompt me to update. So I'm in.

And there the GAS is back, big time!

I had the original skipped the s, and are now using my X100t. It has always been a lovely camera. But I think I need the V. Have always missed a flip out screen, faster AF and even better OVF/EVF.

Have always loved the leaf shutter, the dials and knobs, the IQ and the form factor.

The only drab now must be the fact that this is still an X-Trans sensor. I still prefer the original bayer X100 sensor to the X-trans in my X100t, besides the high iso performance and dynamic range obviously.

I am delighted that Fuji show their commitment to maintaining this line. It is good to see that they keep most aspects of the camera unchanged, rather than trying to innovate for novelty's sake. I gave my wife an X100F at the time when I gave myself an XPro2, some 18 months ago. Just as the XPro3 doesn't induce the slightest bit of update urge in me, neither does the X100V. In both cases, I feel not the slightest bit of upgrade urge, and no envy. I am happy that those who need a new camera can get an upgraded model, and for myself I am relieved that Fuji keeps these camera lines alive. Both the XPro and the X100 lines are "true cameras", in all their past and current incarnations. Thoughtful designs that work and that are a joy to use. It is good to see them supported.

(Incidentally, that "lift-and-turn" collar for ISO is already on the 100F.)

$1400 for a modern Yashica Electro 35 GSN? A new Canonet GIII QL17? Sorry, but that's a concept I just don't get when I can pick up a used DSLR (D3200) & 35/1.8 for $200 that gives me 24mp and the same FOV. Ok, I can't quite stuff it in my pocket because of the mirror box but I can't put a 50mm/1.8 portrait lens on the Fuji either.

Ah, I'm just ranting for no real reason. As the saying goes, I'm not the one they made the camera for and to those folks, I say, Enjoy!

And still...STILL... no GPS and no built-in geo-tagging! Everyone's phone does a better job for cryin' out loud! It can't be that hard if my phone can do it.

Signed,
Only a little sad that I bought an X100F 2 months ago.

Just some added comments for accuracy and context, if I may.

The lens (and/or) camera is not made "waterproof" by adding the lens adapter and filter. It's made "weather resistant". The terminology and distinction between "waterproof" and "weather sealed" is important for warranty purposes. Bottom-line: Neither Fujiflm nor any other camera company I know of warrantees a land (i.e, non-diving) camera to be "weather sealed". This is because none of them will repair, replace or refurbish a camera that has encountered the ingress of water, either in liquid, vapor, or molecular form. This is the reason that the specific term "weather resistant" is used. What it means is...if you get water in any form inside your camera...you're on your own.

I guess you never used the X100F, Mike, because it also has a "lift and turn" ISO setting inner dial on the shutter speed knob, the distinction between the F and V is that you no longer have to keep continually pulling up on the knurled ring to change the ISO settings. I actually like this approach of changing ISO, but will admit that the F version's slightly fiddlier implementation irked some folks.

As for the lens, actually its two aspherical elements that comprise the new lens design over the original, though I fully agree with you that there was nothing wrong with the original lens. Actually, my biggest concern with the lens on the X100V is they made it contrastier than the original spec lens. The original lens had a nice soft and gradual tonal profile that I liked very much because it provided a lot of editing headroom in post for control over the tonal range. Something I cannot say for the 23mm f/2 "Fujicron", which is contrasty as all get-out.

As for the new V, I personally have no plans to upgrade from my F model. I already feel it realizes it design brief better than most any camera I have ever used, and I personally consider the new features and functions of the V to be incremental upgrades. As I've mentioned before, it goes with me virtually everywhere, and its my de facto "paddock and pitlane" camera at the racetrack for shooting "atmosphere". I absolutely love using it as it's so purposeful and that almost no one ever notices you. If they do, its to comment on how charming they find the camera to be.

I am SO glad there is still a camera like this in the market. As Ken Wheeler says..."Fuji!"

FYI The ISO wheel hasn’t changed from what I can see on the x100V vs the x100f I own. See photo of the x100f here: https://www.kenrockwell.com/fuji/x100f/810_0573-top.jpg

Ha! Some of us never throw money at the ‘latest and greatest’. Three months ago I bought a mirrorless introduced in 2014, almost from the stone age. Never been happier. It’s a miracle to me, and cheap, cheap, cheap. Don’t want to know about the MkIII model of same, this does all I need.

Beautiful looking camera. Fuji Does confuse me a bit with the lineup. Besides the X100 series we have 2-3 other levels rangefinder style bodies. And what 3 levels SLR style bodies? Ya the others do it too but sometimes simple is best.

I've always found the silver version of the previous models to be the better looking, but lawdy is the X100V in black a beautiful thing.

My positively elderly, but still handsome, X-T1 looks on with great disdain.

ISO is one of the four primary camera controls I use on every picture (the others being aperture, shutter speed, and focus).

I'm serious; today, it makes sense to change ISO as freely as aperture and shutter speed (and many cameras now offer an auto ISO option so you can have full-on program with the camera choosing all three exposure parameters). It's not so much of an issue if there's plenty of light, but what's the fun of photographing in places like that? :-)

It's sad that ISO still gets second-class control allocation. This Fuji isn't much of a step up, since you can't use it without taking the camera down from you eye.

Related to that -- what's with *all* the control migrating to the right hand? Used to be you used both hands to control your camera, but now with aperture and shutter speed dials and back focus all that is on the right hand. Manual focus is still accessible to the left, and zoom, at least; the right is kind of busy.

A centurion signals to the barman, holding up two fingers. "Five beers, please" : )

William calls this a modern Yashica 35 GSN, and while I loved that camera, it had a few very serious constraints. My biggest problems were the low top shutter speed (I believe it was ~1/400"), limited ASA range, and auto-only exposure. Also, the Yashica is substantially larger than this Fujifilm.

In the plus column, the lens was longer (45mm) and faster f1.7. Also, the lens just had wonderful character. That camera is a gem, and well worth the $45 needed to buy a clean copy. Modern batteries can power it's meter with a plastic shim.

So I guess my point is the Fujifilm isn't a modern Electro 35 GSN, but that's OK. The original was good at being one.

Patrick

David Alan Harvey, while writing about authorship and why complex gear doesn't matter, says: "Last time I saw Joseph Koudelka he was shooting with an X100F."

DON'T upgrade! Keep the old one.
I still have the original X100, CCD, love the images, and instead of bemoaning upgrades I converted it... retrofitted to infrared.
I don't need that stinkin' V, I already have a new camera!

You mention that they changed the material from magnesium to aluminium and that (partly) resulted in $100 increase in price. I wonder. To me magnesium should be more expensive than aluminium. Unless you meant that by this change the price only increased by $100. Otherwise it could have been $300 higher?

"[CORRECTION: Oh, I'm wrong. This was new on v.4, the f, not this V. Sorry for my misteak. —Ed.]"

The word "misteak" looks like a mistake. Or perhaps a joke that went over my head?

"Everything about you is getting to be just so contemptibly yesterday."

Guilty, but given that yesterday has the four-way controller and today lacks it, I'll happily remain in the past with my F version.

Thanks for the fun and informative post.

[Well that was just making fun. As you know I like a whole lot of "yesterday" things. :-) --Mike]

I guess that because cameras now have sensors we'll never see a digital equivalent of the Yashica T4, cheap p&s body with very good lens. The Olympus Stylus Epic was a lot like that too. Maybe with a 1" sensor?

Aluminum is cheaper than magnesium and easier to work with. It should be cheaper.

They must be great cameras or else cult objects, the X100 (original) is still $417 at KEH. I have an XE-1 and it never clicked with me. For me, it is Olympus that has the ol' jpeg magic. Well, Olympus if I am shooting things too fast to shoot with a Sigma Foveon camera.

Maybe this will drop the price of the used models and I will give Fuji another try.

[As I understand it, aluminum has to be machined whereas magnesium can be molded, so aluminum in camera bodies is more expensive. --Mike]

Nice to see the X-E3 get a mention. I love mine. Great travel kit with the 23 and 50 mm Fujicrons.

Nice rundown on the new Fuji, with some examples of the lens improvement for closeup shots and supposedly edge detail here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRzsKMUXJNk

How many people these days can even read Roman numerals? If it weren't for the Super Bowl, they'd be completely forgotten. Here's a fun tidbit though. When Arabic numerals were first introduced to Europe, accountants resisted them, because they were easier for an evil person to alter in the books.

It's amazing that the entire Fujifilm X range began with this little camera as the cornerstone, and such a relatively short time ago.

This camera always puts me in mind that Fujifilm and their designers loved cameras, the kind those of us of 'a certain age' cherished: They must, as well.

And Mr. Perez, I too own and cherish a mint Electro 35 GSN, but I can tell you this: IF you love that camera, if you ever get the chance JUMP on a Konica Auto S2. To me, the best of all the fixed-lens 35's of that era, a lens to die for.

Have to agree with everyone that the x100 is a great and very capable camera. (I have the x100t).

What I really wish is that there were two other versions - a 28mm (equiv) and a 50mm. I know you can use the wide and tele converters but that's never appealed to me.

The camera is that perfect size where you could easily carry two in your jacket poclets

My first camera ever was a Yashica Electro-35 GSN, and I bought the original Fuji x100 when it came out (my kid later "stole" it) and then the Fuji x100F. I won't (I think?) get the new one, only because my iPhone sort of covers that need and I already have a Fuji XT-3 (and soon, an XT-4) for more "serious" photos. So I can speak with a little authority when I say the Fuji X100V isn't at all like a Yashica Electro-35!

But you know what would be cool? What if Fuji kept making a version of the x100--a stripped-down version, with the older features, priced very low for young people and people who just don't have $1400 for a camera? What if it really was like the Yashica Electro-35, something a high school student without a trust fund might consider? Yes, there are used original X100's, but wouldn't it be cool to have *something* on the market for today's sixteen-year-old--I had the Yashica from my Dad. Kids today love the film camera look and love carrying one around (but those damned developing costs are horrific).

A student version of the X100 would be a perfect fit, the perfect camera for me, in fact, if I was sixteen again. Fixed lens, good-looking, special.

What say you Fuji? You are the most Apple-like of all the camera companies. Do what Apple does and offer a less expensive way into your products for the next generation of Fuji owners.

I haven't liked the way Fuji keeps streamlining the shape of the X100 models since they introduced the "T". The classic sculpted shape of the original and the following model were...well, classic. Those since have been too modernized. Too sleek. The X100S was my last favorite look and I bought two of those because I couldn't decide if I liked the looks of the silver or the black best so I got both. Used, of course. Pretty cameras that strangely enough continue to take pictures despite being hopelessly outdated.

But when I saw the final version of the black X100V it actually looked kinda pretty to me. All Leica-like with the look of being cut from a solid block of metal. This is a camera I wouldn't mind owning, I think. No...no. Must resist. Perhaps later. When the "VIII" comes along and the "V" is old and outdated.

A centurion signals to the barman, holding up two fingers. "Five beers, please" : )

The Barman, being Irish answers "Drinking alone today are you?"

No one seems to have mentioned that the front element of the new lens *moves*, which seems a little less charming for some reason.

Nice camera! Now I may have GAS again. And you know this is a superb photographic machine: the "photographers" on that infamous D reviewing site hate it big time.

Oh! How will you ever choose? Silver or Black? Agonising!

I have always throughly believed in this type camera and Fuji’s interpretation is near perfect ... except for one thing (for me). And obviously, that ‘one thing,’ is only important to me and maybe a few others. Certainly not important to enough people for Fuji to entertain the idea of including it—image stabilization. Because of my older, less than steady hands, I need stabilization. My current larger camera doesn’t have it but my lenses do. As much as I would love to have the X100, I would need a tripod. Kinda defeats the carry everywhere ethos. But I still admire it.

Having previously gone with Silver on the original, T, and F, I am going to be different this time and go with black. Grumpy- the front element has always moved. That's why it has always needed an adapter ring to use a filter.

I may actually upgrade from my S model... the way the back controls have evolved makes it appear considerably less fiddly in hand, which was my biggest complaint about the 100S.

But, first I need to convince myself that it does something substantive beyond what my new X-E3 with 23/2 can do.

replying to Huw re phone camera relativatity - i have the S model and am not particularly enamoured of the fixed 35, but for me the camera is my night doco machine and uniquely suited for it. Earlier this week in a very typical scenario at a jazz gig it came home with usable images the phone users sitting beside me could not get because the light levels were too low (f/2, 1/15th, 6400iso and even that was a slight underexposure). It can do that without any banding issues from LED lighting and while being as quiet as a phone camera and as blacked out as a DSLR (so i don't annoy people around me on either count during a quiet and/or dim performance).

A centurion signals to the barman, holding up two fingers. "Five beers, please" : )

The Barman, being Irish answers "Drinking alone today are you?"

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Second centurion walks in, calls to the barman, "I'll have a martinus."

Barman answers, "Don't you mean martinI?"

Centurion: "No thanks, I only want one."

@Curt Gurston: I got my X100s just in time for a two week trip to England and France, and didn't regret it at all. It was a leap of faith not to take my SLR, but I didn't *feel* like I missed any shots - strictly speaking I probably did, but I didn't really care. Had a blast, and it was my gateway drug into Fuji back in 2013.

These days though, I find myself using EVF exclusively and for my style of shooting the OVF isn't beneficial, so the lower cost of the X-E3 with the 23mm (which I can also use on my X-H1) does me just fine. Do wish it had a flippy screen though.

I still have the X100s, though have been toying with selling it, as I just haven't been using it. The controls and AF are very outmoded at this point, though there's something to its color quality that isn't the same in subsequent models even with the same film simulation.

BTW Robert Plotkin's review of the original X100 here on TOP is my favorite camera review ever. The opening couple of paragraphs are genius.

For those that think an upgrade to the V over whatever model X100 you may have I offer the following.......Coming from DSLRs, large ones I got an X-Pro2 a little over a year ago. Very nice but as I expected the AF paled to the Pro DSLR even though we a talking a 12 year old D3. But still I very much like the Pro2. I got the X-H1 when the price with grip dropped to $999. So I had two Fujis both with the "old" sensor and AF performance. I really liked the larger EVF of the H1 as well as other features over the Pro2. The X-H1 us a very very nice camera.


Pro3 get announced and I waited though not long. My mint Pro2 sold quickly. I got the Pro3.

Now first off there is no huge difference in the output as far as image quality. They are nearly identical. In blind test I couldn't tell the difference I bet. Depending on what you shoot, what light levels, moving subjects, need for eye AF, etc the Pro2 may be ideal and the X100 may also be ideal.

For me a lot of what I shoot is in low light and moving. Good eye AF can't hurt. Fast accurate not hunting AF and AFC is much needed as I'm hoping to maybe not need to carry big Nikon D3/4 cameras. The Pro3 is a vast improvement over the Pro2 in those areas. I'm sure an X-T3 would be a good comparison to a Pro3. It stands to reason the V over the F is also that same difference.

If you wish the X100F or earlier versions were better in low light or had better faster AF or AFC or eye AF etc then the X100V IS the upgrade you want. The difference is not small. You're getting a fixed lens Pro3. It depends what you shoot but it may also mean you can leave the big guns home and go light since the X100V can compete with the larger camera you left home.

I think the lift and ‘no longer hold’ ISO is a big improvement.
I mourn the loss of the D pad.

Lovely but for my purposes the X100F is great. However oddly like some others I would prefer the simplerBayer as on the cheaper X-T200

“ and special filter (also known as a "filter") ”

LOL. Gawd you are funny.

By the way, I’m also on “team flip-up screen”. I don’t do selfie videos, and a flip-out makes the camera unwieldy, especially when you do touch-screen-to-focus-and-shoot like I like to do.

Eolake

On Twitter I follow several very good amateur (mostly) photographers. By follow, I also mean I pay attention to their posts when I’m not fuming over the current political landscape. But I digress.

Over the last couple of days I had a discourse (aka “thread”) about the V that started with a question that basically asked, “What’s the fuss? Any real reason to consider an upgrade? Especially for someone whose budget would have to have a shoehorn applied?” I had purchased a 100F about a year ago, trading in my XPro-1 via KEH. And here comes Fuji upgrading the X100 ... not that I didn’t expect it.

One of the sub-threads that evolved was the subject of interface and controls/buttons. Hamish Gill (whose blog at http://35mmc.com is nearly always a very good read) and I ended up commiserating about the 100F buttons. On the X100F It’s nearly impossible to NOT hit the Q button, or even the Menu button. OK, it’s possible IF none of one’s fingers on the right hand are touching the camera.

On the V the Q button has been moved. Other buttons have been repositioned so that accidental actuation is less likely. Or at least it appears so from the pictures on the Fuji site. As I said, Hamish and I shared our frustration over the F interface - he had written about it (and X100 series/concept) here: https://www.35mmc.com/14/10/2017/fuji-x100f-fuji-lost-sight-elegant-original-concept/

So the thread stirred a gripe in me that I had been subconsciously ignoring. I had done my “research”, but it was all Internet reading ... which isn’t really research. Hands on use is almost always necessary, and I had forgotten that. Not that hands on experience is all that easy when shops carrying inventory are rare, even here in Rochester, NY - a photography town.

Reading more about the V, there are additional improvements that seem significant to me for having a “perfect” OCOL digital that just gets out of the way - as I can’t afford a Monochrom.

Conundrum mode engaged.

I so want one of these cameras, but my experience with the xtrans sensor in the XT-2 keeps me away. If they'd do a Bayer sensor, I'd be sold. I guess there's never the perfect camera. Instead I'll continue to rock a Ricoh GRIII.

Saw this in a review of the X100V and thought of you:

"If my iPhone often feels like the photographic equivalent of getting an Uber, the X100V is like tearing around country lanes in a Mazda MX5."

https://www.techradar.com/news/why-the-fujifilm-x100v-is-a-better-street-photography-camera-than-my-iphone-11-pro

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