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Monday, 15 October 2018


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Primer is only pronounced primmer in the US. The rest of the English speaking world pronounces it [in]correctly.

The link for the Allman Brothers seemed to point to the Dead article. I'll bite - who is Peter Green?

Peter Green of Fleetwood Mac?

How many life points do I get if I have seen Peter Green live?

[Just ten, but the maximum in the Oracular and Inscutable Oren Grad System of Life Rewards, the system we are using, seems to be fifteen, so ten is plenty great. --Ed.]

Actually, Mike, in the UK it is pronounced “prime-r”. As is the word for the first coat of paint you put directly on top of wood or metal. Context is everything!

(Which was probably true of the Dead, too.)

I thought primer rhymed with timer. The internet tells me that we Brits adopted this pronunciation in the late 19c, while Americans stayed with 'primmer'. ToP is educational, as always!

Not by me...


"(the word in its meaning of "a short introduction" is pronounced "primmer," not as "prime" with an "r" at the end)."

And why is that? It's not the case in UK English, or the colonial variant I grew up in.

The word ‘Primer’ is of Anglo-Norman origin and correctly pronounced with a drawn-out 'i' and an 'r' at the end. The Oxford English Dictionary - THE authority on the ENGLISH language, does acknowledge an American version pronounced 'primmer', although personally I have never heard anyone pronounce it like that, and would not know what they are talking about if they did. Nor I suspect, would any English speaker outside of America.

You mean there are music fans who *don't* know who Peter Green is?

Peter Green, love Albatross

I am old enough to know who Peter Green is... He was in Fleetwood Mac, back when they were a blues band. I saw him perfom live back in 2004, on the Notodden Blues Festival. Not a very memorable concert, though. Talking of former Fleetwood Mac members, the Jeremy Spencer concert at the festival in 2005, was very good indeed.

It might be interesting to learn what kind of music your readers like, listen to and spend money on -- three different but overlapping categories.

Peter Green of the original Fleetwood Mac. One of my favorite albums is their "Then Play On" that also featured Jeremy Spencer and Danny Kirwin on guitars. Peter, unfortunately, got into drugs {LSD?};and never really recovered.


Q. What did the Grateful Dead fans say when the drugs wore off?

A. Man, this music sucks.


[You either love 'em or hate 'em. Or you think they're okay. (Mitch Hedberg joke) --Mike]

Albatross is what heaven sounds like.

Peter Green - now you're talking. He ranks up there at the very top along with Jeff Beck, Jimi Hendrix and Rory Gallagher!
And no, I didn't miss anyone out ;-)

I'm 60 so I know who Peter Green is. He is a better guitarist than Lindsey Buckingham. :-) I had a girlfriend in the late 70's who made me go see Fleetwood Mac. They sadly performed Oh Well which I must admit I enjoyed more than the other songs at the concert. At least they steered clear of Green Manalishi.

I am accumulating the points. A long time fan of Ornette Coleman, and I simply love Black Magic Woman by Peter's Fleetwood Mac. Does one have to be old to know this?

[I'm afraid so. Who wrote "Black Magic Woman" anyway? Obviously Carlos Santana made it famous, and Peter Green did it first.... --Mike]

A few years ago my wife and I were attending a Dave Matthews concert. About mid show Dave paused for a moment to talk about some of the people he'd had the opportunity to work with in the music industry. By coincidence one of those people happened to be in the area at the time and Dave invited him to onstage to play. So he introduces Branford Marsalis, who plays throughout the remainder of the show. What a treat.

If we're going to give a heads up to Peter Green, I think we should also remember the late Danny Kirwan, who played along side him in Fleetwood Mac. A great talent.

To follow-on, I think primmer, pronounced primmer, would mean more prim (as in prim and proper, strictly formal, more uptight?) in modern British.

However the US pronunciations have the benefit of distinguishing between the introductory work and the device or material for initiating an explosion or a paint system. They both rhyme with timer here in the UK.

I once stayed with my wife in a fairly isolated cottage for a week's holiday. There was one other cottage nearby where a rather older couple were staying. We nodded to each other a few times (this is the UK, more would have been unconscionable). The man obviously played the guitar, really rather well. I'm sure he can't have been Peter Green but, well, I'm not actually sure he wasn't, and I like to think that perhaps he was.


Peter Green wrote Black Magic Woman

I love unexpected pairings and here is a beauty.


I have their album. A tribute to Hank Williams and it's great stuff. It kind of reminds me of the masterpiece Chet Atkins did with Les Paul.
Joe Pass did some of his best stuff paired up with Ella Fitzgerald and Roy Clark was a regular with Buck Owens. Cool...

As lots of people have said, Peter Green founded Fleetwood Mac. Indeed, for a while the band was called “Peter Green’s Fleetwood Mac”. You all know that John McVie held off from joining for some weeks? A journeyman bassist called Bob Brunning held the spot for that short period. Later he became a teacher and then a head teacher, but sadly died at the age of 68, after a life of non-excess.

And as for Peter Green tracks, i’ve always loved “Man of the World”.

Speaking of unexpected and delightful musical pairings, i came across a PBS documentary in the mid-90's focused on the overlap of country and rhythm & blues music. The format was duets featuring one country and one R&B performer - legendary tunes and artists. This all seems very obvious but it was all in the execution. Think Al Green with Lyle Lovett or Marty Stuart with the Staple Singers or Little Richard and Tanya Tucker. These performances made permenant impressions on me. You almost had to be there, and I have never successfully tracked down the entire program in any digital video format. I did find in on VHS tape from a Canadian broadcaster and most of the individual performances are available on youtube but the audio is as expected. The CD is widely available and not to be missed. The CD player in my car holds 6-discs. This is always one of them and neither country nor R&B is really my style of music.

I suppose I should have shared the title of the program (and the CD) described in my earlier comment: Rhythm, Country and Blues. My bad.

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