News from smartphoneland: John Gruber at Daring Fireball has an excellent article about the camera in the new iPhone XS. First, he quotes Apple Senior VP of Marketing Phil Schiller emphasizing that Apple is the leading camera company in the world. Later he makes the point that most people do not upgrade their phones every year, then defends his comparing of the XS to last year's X by saying: "for the people who own an iPhone X who are considering an upgrade to the XS, to my mind, the camera system is the one and only reason to do it."
The XS has a new wide-field lens and a larger sensor for the wide lens (there are two cameras and two sensors—the longer lens's sensor isn't changed). The wide lens is actually longer in focal length: 4.25mm vs. 4mm in the older phones. The sensor, however, is ~30% larger, meaning that the wide lens changes from 28mm-e FOV to a wider 26mm-e FOV despite the lens being longer.
But it's the "vastly improved" Neural Engine that's the big change, according to Daring Fireball. The Neural Engine, you recall, was the big news in the iPhone X, the part of the processor that performs AI. The original A11 Bionic had two cores and was capable of 600 billion operations per second; the A12 Bionic ups that to 8 cores and 5 trillion operations per second, and makes possible the always-on "Smart HDR" that John's examples demonstrate so spectacularly.
The XS Max is approximately the same overall size as the 7 Plus and 8 Plus, but the display is much larger because it covers the entire face of the phone.
He concludes: "My takeaway is that the Neural Engine really is a big deal for photography and video. Supposedly, it’s just as big a deal for AR [augmented reality], but the camera has been my obsessive focus this past week. For users, it’s a big deal because it has a dramatic, practical, real-time effect on the quality of the photos and videos they can shoot. None of this happens in post; all of it is visible live, as you shoot."
Since blown highlights are my bête noire with small sensors, Smart HDR sounds promising to me. Check out the article.
Compute the blur
The other big feature of the XS and XS Max is adjustable bokeh...in Portrait Mode, using the "Depth Slider," you can choose the degree of background defocus you want after the fact. (Here's a brief video from Apple Informed if you want a visual demonstration.) Early tests are showing that the feature allows more control than a fast lens on a large sensor. Because it's done in software, it's easier to keep all of the main object in focus and change the degree of apparent defocus on the background only, avoiding the foreground blur that so often disfigures narrow focus as captured on large sensors. For example, a dog's face photographed with a FF camera and fast lens, as you've seen many times, will often leave the dog's nose out of focus if you want maximum background blur. With the iPhone XS, you can dial up the apparent defocus in the background without putting the dog's nose out of focus too.
Cool stuff.
The Android world of course has a number of smartphones that vie with Apple's photography capabilities; competing equivalents of Apple's Neural Engine are beginning to make their way into competitors' products even now. I'm only writing about Apple because that's what I use. A smartphone is now definitely part of my photography kit, although I use it more for visual note-taking than anything else. I get a lot of pleasure out of it. I'll see if I can post a few examples of what I mean by "visual note-taking" someday soon.
Mike
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HR: "People who say the phone cameras are getting so good that it can replace a regular camera indicates to me that the kinds of photos they take are vastly different than what I take. Being limited to the very awkward, fiddly ergonomics of a phone with its very slow camera usage, inability to make quick decisive photos at an exact instant in time, being limited to just a wide angle lens (or maybe two in some recent very expensive phones), having only a screen to use even when it is not good in sun and at night the light from it illuminating you and making it obvious to everyone you are taking a photo, the tiny sensor that doesn't work well in low light, etc. makes it a no-go as a main camera for me. It is also hard for me to imagine wildlife photographers, sports photographers, BIF photographers, etc. thinking that a phone, no matter how good the IQ gets to be even close to a substitute for a camera with good ergonomics, fast, decisive operation, interchangeable lenses of many types, and so on.
Mike replies: While I don't know of any photographers who use a phone as a main camera, several extensive and very good photojournalists projects have been done using much earlier cellphones and smartphones. Several advertising campaigns have been shot with phones. Doug DeMuro's YouTube channel is shot mostly with an iPhone. The list goes on. Obviously they're not the tool for every job, and obviously they're not the tool for any job for certain photographers, but they're cameras, and virtually all cameras can be used for good work in the right hands.
John: "Impressive, but I’ve never experienced one iota of fun taking a picture of something with my iPhones. And fun is what it’s all about for me."
Steve W: "As Ken Tanaka has alluded to, this is the future of photography for most people. When they add a third lens/sensor/camera in the 85mm-e to 100mm-e range...what more would most people really need?"
Jack: "Thanks for the link to the article. The photo in the article that compares backlit shots with the two phones was quite a difference. Wow."
c.d.embrey: "For me the decisive moment is when my client's check clears. There are very few paying jobs that I couldn't shoot with Apple's iPhone XS. Anything from products to portraits to panoramas...."
J. K. Lux: "Mike's article (and John Gruber's) is about the technology of photography, not about what's better or worse than anything else (phone vs. 'pro' camera, Apple vs. Android, etc.). The phone companies are coming up with interesting solutions to some enormous constraints (like the size of the phone) in pursuit of better cameras (in pursuit of bigger market share). Just because I love shooting with my X-T2 and all its physical dials doesn't mean I'm not interested in how a tech company is dealing with dynamic range or focus bracketing in ways that are different than the major camera brands, or solutions to fitting a better lens into a smaller package—solutions which very likely will have an impact on dedicated cameras as well."
Mike replies: Thanks for rising to my defense. I was just about to remind people that I'm not personally responsible for cameras being included in smartphones! :-)
Yeah, I'm caught in a consumer brain-bind with my iPhone. I would like to upgrade from my fairly old 6 for a number of reasons, especially since it would allow me to shoot raw and shoot from the Lightroom CC camera app, having the files then show up on my main computer in Lightroom, ready to use. That's pretty neat. But I replaced the battery in my old phone recently, and with that, plus iOS 12, it's running very well, and I don't have the normal sloth-like end-of-cycle performance to justify the new phone. A problem I should not spend time writing about on the internet, it is so insignificant.
Posted by: John Krumm | Saturday, 29 September 2018 at 10:10 AM
... 5 trillion operations per second ...
Moore's Law marches on, and on and on.
Posted by: c.d.embrey | Saturday, 29 September 2018 at 10:14 AM
Ah, the wonder of technology that compensates for the physics of tiny optics and area challenged sensors.
Posted by: Robert Pillow | Saturday, 29 September 2018 at 10:43 AM
Article on a phone.
More than 5000 words, according to my word processor.
Seriously?
[Seems like an article on a camera, to me, Gerard.... --Mike]
Posted by: Gerard Geradts | Saturday, 29 September 2018 at 10:46 AM
Sooner or later, your phone will also have a "decisive moment" mode. When switched on, the camera's AI engine will detect when everything within vision is perfectly arranged to produce a perfect, once-in-a-time arrangement of pleasing aesthetic effect, and will shot itself. Ah, the joys of technology!
Posted by: Rodolfo Canet | Saturday, 29 September 2018 at 10:59 AM
"... competing equivalents of Apple's Neural Engine are beginning to make their way into competitors' products even now."
This sounds a lot like the Pixel Visual Core dedicated image-processing chip that has been in Pixel phones for almost a year -- and the amazing smart-HDR photos it takes. I'm not sure how the Apple version differs, but this isn't new for Android.
Posted by: PacNW | Saturday, 29 September 2018 at 11:07 AM
Next years will be even better! I have the 7 plus and am still enjoying the pics, some of which I have printed large on my epson p800 with good results so I’m fighting gas on the phone front and the camera front. However 2019 could be an expensive year.
Posted by: Brian D | Saturday, 29 September 2018 at 12:09 PM
Yesterday I finally decided to replace my ancient flip-phone.
After lusting after the iPhone XS MAX ($1100+) after much researching on the Internet I ended up with the iPhone 8+ ($700+).
As I age, I need the bigger size.
[I like the bigger size too...mine is a 7+. I often read books on the phone, probably the thing I use it for the most. For some reason I find the 7+ easier to carry than my previous phone, the 4s, because it's thinner and seems less heavy (even though it probably isn't, I don't know). --Mike]
Posted by: Bill Mitchell | Saturday, 29 September 2018 at 12:58 PM
Google has smart HDR and portrait modes for a couple of their phone generations already. All with just a single lens/sensor. This has morphed onto non Google phones for several years as well. Apple just now started to catch up.
There's a reason why people prefer Google's camera to most phones, some even rated last year's Pixel 2 better than the new Apple phones.
[What I was attempting to say in the post is that both are good, it doesn't matter which you choose, I'm only writing about Apple because it's what I use. If I used Google I'd write about that. --Mike]
Posted by: Tony T | Saturday, 29 September 2018 at 01:00 PM
I have little to no interest with doing photography with an iPhone, or any other camera system that takes me out of the equation as one of the key factors in determing the quality of the photograph. This is analagous to taking a metro or train to a destination as opposed to skillfully riding a motorcycle down a beautiful piece of road. The latter is by far the more interesting and rewarding journey.
As for Phil Schiller, he lost virtually all credibility with me when he claimed it "took courage" to take out the headphone jack on the iPhone 7. What a crock. Yes, I know there's a Lighting to 3.5mm headphone dongle (another dongle from Dongle Hell), but its been documented to degrade sound fidelity. And, it's one more thing to lose or leave at home. And Bluetooth doesn't deliver audiophile quality audio, either.
I listen to 24/192 KHz music files wiith my Etymotics or Westones using the wonderful Onkyo HF app, which lets the iPhone pass these high- resolution audio files out of the headphone jack. Unlike iTunes, which limits output to 16/48, and, sorry, but the headphone adapter and Bluetooth just doesn't cut it.
One parting thought: these phones are just too d*mn big. I'm with Marcus Brownlee, who, when asked he wanted wanted to see most from the smartphone manufacturers was, "Small. I'd like to see small phones come back."
Posted by: Stephen Scharf | Saturday, 29 September 2018 at 01:29 PM
Just having returned from an epic trip to Iceland, which the main purpose was photography I can verify there are significant differences in sensor size and quality. I used m4/3, APSC and full frame and yes all three captured some excellent images but each step up in sensor size did provide more raw headroom for image recovery under difficult lighting conditions. Under ideal lighting conditions all three proved worthy of image capture but when lighting gets difficult full frame shines in post processing. I would imagine the same holds true for iPhone images, under great light sure they can capture great shots but what happens when you need the extra shadow recovery, contrast, vibrance, fill light enhancements ?
Posted by: Peter Komar | Saturday, 29 September 2018 at 03:40 PM
Apple's approach IS the future for Most photography. It is why they killed Aperture. I have an iPhone x , what it is able to do is very impressive. Future Phones will only get better.
Just imagine a dedicated Apple camera with all that A.I and processing power with say a 1" or m4/3 sensor. If I were a camera company I would worry about that.
Personally I use the iPhone for snapshots, memos, and short videos of my Grandson (at which it excels)
I can't imagine it being my only camera.
But my Daughter and Son in law are leaving today for London, Paris and Rome for 20 days. I offered them every camera I have, even a tiny G7x, they said, We have our phones.
I can't even wrap my head around that, but I suspect it is the future.
Posted by: Michael Perini | Saturday, 29 September 2018 at 03:45 PM
Apple is the largest cell phone maker because they don't permit anyone else to use their operating system. Android holds 54% of the market but the phones are from a variety of makers. My cell phone is a Moto Play Z2 and it has a camera that has an HDR mode which I can control, set to auto or turn off. It works fine but the reality is I use my phone as a camera only occasionally. I didn't buy it for the camera. Being somewhat serious photographer (60 years and counting) I like to use actual cameras that allow me to exercise more control than any cell phone camera does. If I did choose to use my phone as a serious photography tool the Moto Play is modular and I can get a Hasselblad module that attaches magnetically and turns the phone into a real camera with real zoom but as I say, I have a real camera, several of them in fact. I give Apple points for hype though.
Posted by: James Bullard | Saturday, 29 September 2018 at 03:58 PM
All great, but I wish people (in marketing and on blogs) would stop using the term 'AI' and 'Neural' to describe adaptive algorithms.
Unless their idea of intelligent life is bacterial, this is not even close to the definition of AI, as given by the Turing test.
In terms of sophistication, it's not even close to Siri. Speech recognition is tough.
Posted by: Steve Jacob | Saturday, 29 September 2018 at 04:15 PM
They're point-and-shoots. They're good for snapshots. Most of us aren't here because of a deep interest in snapshots. Get used to it. At one time, I bet there were pro photographers boasting that they could make a living with a Kodak APS cameras. It's funny that people don't think they can live with one-inch sensors like the terrific Sony RX100 because the resolution isn't good enough, so they yearn for a Fuji medium format, but they're entranced by cameras with sensors the size of my little fingernail. I know, I know, different cameras for different uses, but if not displayed on an iPhone, iPhone images suck. Really. Put one on your Mac retina screen and *then* tell me how wonderful they are. And that's low-res, compared to prints.
Posted by: John Camp | Saturday, 29 September 2018 at 05:17 PM
The iPhone 4 got me into photography... the strange errors from that lens/camera module and the early days of Instagram and Hipstamatic were magical, and I daresay they led to my conversion to film. I was wildly unimpressed with the camera on the 5, 7, and SE, and the new camera is the only thing to interest me about the new iPhone. I balk at the price and don't need a new phone/pocket computer, but that camera is calling to me. That said, I'm absolutely certain that the $1000 would be better spent on books, film, and chemicals, and I know I wouldn't use the camera enough times to get the cost down much below $1/shot before I upgraded again. So I'm going to give it a pass, I think, and only upgrade when this SE becomes completely unusable.
Posted by: James | Saturday, 29 September 2018 at 05:52 PM
I also use my phone for "visual note-taking" and sometimes get results that don't need any explanation. That picture being good enough.
Posted by: Russell Guzewicz | Saturday, 29 September 2018 at 06:54 PM
Phil Schiller's job title pretty much says it all: Philip Schiller is Apple’s Senior Vice President of Worldwide Marketing reporting to Chief Executive Officer Tim Cook. Compelling images can be taken on just about ANY type of camera, including an iPhone. The all new Neural Engine and Depth Sliders probably work wonders and no doubt that some of these photos are great "right out of...Camera". With a tap on an "adjustment style" like, say "Bokeh" or "Mocha", even greater images can be produced. But I still struggle seeing my phone's display in daylight and I don't get a lot of touch/feel when it comes to that decisive moment. The latest rumor among the Apple fanboys is that the upcoming new iPhone model will be called "ABC" and will make coffee..."ABC" will stand for: "All About Coffee". They will team up with Starbucks where next to their charging stations they will now have a coffee refill hook-up. The heat from the battery will keep it warm for up to 4 hours. Tim Cook and Phil Schiller really know how to generate great images along with a buzzzzz.
Posted by: San Warzoné | Saturday, 29 September 2018 at 07:16 PM
While I do not know what computing features newer phones have that my old Samsung S5 does not have, my phone does all I need in that regard. So when it comes time to upgrade (likely a broken phone) the camera will be the most important feature for decision making behind cost. I hope that future phone has a zoom lens and bigger sensor even if the phone is bigger. I see these slim phones with thick protectors that wipe out the slimmer and I think a bigger phone for the camera isn't so daft.
Posted by: Mike Shwarts | Saturday, 29 September 2018 at 07:28 PM
I hate using my phone for photography, except for snapping notices or documents for future reference.
I can't see the screen properly without changing my glasses, or in sunny conditions.
The ergonomics are extremely awkward - I usually start with the phone the wrong way round, and the shutter button(s) always seems to be in the wrong place in relation to my fingers and thumbs.
Since I keep my phone in my trouser pocket, the larger the phone (and the better the screen), the more likely it is to get broken. Phones are not naturally bendy.
Posted by: Tim Auger | Saturday, 29 September 2018 at 10:25 PM
Airline cabin baggage allowances. I've just come back to the UK from a holiday in Europe on which I wasn't able to take my main camera system because of the cabin baggage allowance of 5 kgs on the return flight. That had to include toiletries, nightclothes from the last night, the day before's clothes, etc - main (hold) bags had to be put out the evening before. And because it was a charter flight, booked by the holiday company, there's very limited opportunity to purchase extra capacity. So I took a secondary camera system (APS-C) with a not-so-good zoom lens. which I didn't enjoy using. Of course, I also had my iPhone with me and in the end used that for many shots. I see myself doing so more and more.
Posted by: Tom Burke | Sunday, 30 September 2018 at 02:12 AM
Anybody else notice that survivorship bias is rarely ever hinted at when discussing cameras (or anything else, come to think of it)? Meaningful conclusions should only be drawn when we consider what's missing from a dataset: "...these pics from camera/lens/system xxx are fabulous!". Yes, but what about all the potential pics that were missed?
Posted by: Ken Owen | Sunday, 30 September 2018 at 02:19 AM
John Camp gets it right.
A while ago I decided to make a series of snaps using my cellphone. This consisted mostly of the distressed paint on the hulls of boats up on the hard at my local marina. The first thought that hit me was just how difficult it was: I could hardly see the image on the damned screen in sunlight, and there is lots of sunlight in the Med. Sometimes, I was shooting totally blind.
To cut a long story short, I liked the theme and set up a gallery for it on my website. As luck would have it, during a stroll through the marina a yacht skipper I know asked me if I would like to make a blow-up of one of the shots for decoration on the Fairline he managed. My heart sank. I explaind about size and how things look different in reality compared with how they look on a small screen.
So, I lost a sale and the chance of more, because the yachting world has a tightly-knit grapevine.
That led to the ultimate removal of that gallery and the oath that a snap should never be made using anything that could later compromise the photographer: me!
Since then, the cellphone has proved useful buying replacement taps to match others in the toilet.
Posted by: Rob Campbell | Sunday, 30 September 2018 at 03:35 AM
Confusing: Here it is more and more about cool (new) stuff. Whether goin?
Posted by: Robert | Sunday, 30 September 2018 at 05:16 AM
The problem with the iPhone/WhateverPhone and A.I. is that these work towards a rendering which is set by the makers of the camera. It will frequently get it wrong for expressive photography. I am also finding that the processing in my most recent iPhone makes for images which are overly massaged am pretty horrible at pixel level in anything other than totally optimal conditions.
All that said, I’m just about to drop off two framed prints for an exhibition. Of four images submitted, on a similar theme, one was taken with a DSLR & Zeiss lens, one with a mirrorless & kit zoom but the two selected were iPhone 8+ images which had better content.
Posted by: Barry Reid | Sunday, 30 September 2018 at 05:42 AM
I am never happy with what I am doing when pixel peeping - but looking at the original file of the XS shot taken in low light, it is terrible. I almost prefer the photo from the X, which despite having more jagg-buzz effect at least hasn't turned the faces of the three men into plastic dough.
The portrait in good light on the XS is another thing - although for that particular shot I am not completely convinced that the shot from the X didn't simply catch more lens flare from the position of the light behind the subject. Or it could be a bit of grease on the lens - anything.
Posted by: David Bennett | Sunday, 30 September 2018 at 07:12 AM
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Help using your phone as a camera
Picked up one of thes at Photokina. Not too clunky but beats touching the 'touch' screen inadvetantly
https://www.google.ie/search?q=pictar&oq=pictar&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.3712j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Posted by: Thomas Mc Cann | Sunday, 30 September 2018 at 08:27 AM
Phil Schiller has too narrow a view. Apple leads the world in other artistic endeavors too.
An artist friend has an ipad which he uses to create artwork. The ipad algorithms can simulate brushstrokes and there are filters in the menu that can turn a picture instantly into a watercolor! He can even display the results on his 65" TV screen (though the colors suffer some).
After all these years, he has set aside his brushes and palettes saying they are no longer state-of-the-art. I can see that brushes and canvas will soon be obsolete due to this amazing technology.
Posted by: PhotoDes | Sunday, 30 September 2018 at 08:53 AM
If you want to argue with photo people on the Internet tell them that an iPhone camera is perfectly fine for "most" uses ...
I don't think there really is an objective answer here. Everyone has their own idea of what "fine" and "most" means.
My personal feelings about this are well known to people on this forum. I think the phone cameras are fine. 😃
But I'll make the statement a bit more quantitatively. If you were happy with the "image quality", whatever that is, of a DSLR in the early to mid 2000s (I'm talking Nikon D70 to D200 range here) then ergonomics aside you should be fairly happy with what you get out of a modern cell phone camera. I've taken pictures with my iPhone in the nearly dark that compare pretty well with the noise-filled mess that the early Nikon sensors put out. On the other hand, in not bad light I have 12x18 inch prints made from a D70, shot at ISO 800 (really on the edge for that time) that look ... for lack of a better way to say it ... just fine.
Lately I've also had a lot of my old B&W (mostly 35mm, a bit of 120) film scanned at reasonable resolutions. I can't say the scans really hold up that well against modern pixel peeping standards ... certainly no better than the phone JPEGs.
YMMV, and all that. This is just my experience. I think calling the phone cameras "just for snapshots" is selling them short. I think that when well used they are a legitimate photographic tool. Whether you want to learn to use that tool is up to you.
Posted by: psu | Sunday, 30 September 2018 at 11:04 AM
Footnote: The reason the iPhone (or Pixel or Samsung) is (or will be) all the camera most people need is that (I think) most people don't print and are posting photos on social media or web albums such as Google Photos or Flickr or what not. And well, even if you print at a reasonable size the iPhone camera is not shabby at all (depending on the image of course).
This discussion reminds me of Mike's idea to have a combo of a small sensor camera and large sensor camera and the iPhone combined with Full Frame (DSLR or Mirrorless) would seem to work well in that regard. The question keeps coming up as the phone cameras get so good: how often would the FF camera be left at home?
In any case, I'd like to see Nikon produce a Z-Mount APS-C camera that is compact and uses compact APS-C primes and zooms. I really like my D750 quite a lot, but I'm feeling that if I move to Z-Mount and a mirrorless camera body that I'd like it to be as compact as possible, and I know from experience I'd be happy with the APS-C sensor for my hobbyist type photography. Unfortunately, I think Nikon will go the other direction and make D5 and D500 style mirrorless cameras before any kind of compact DX version. The market seems geared upward.
Long story short, my iPhone camera goes with me everywhere, while my D750 not so much. (That's on me, but still).
Posted by: SteveW | Sunday, 30 September 2018 at 11:05 AM
I have wondered over the last three years what would happen if Apple bought Fujifilm (market cap today 19.8 billion USD; arguendo vs Japanese restrictions on foreign ownership) and integrated its CPU and image processing software into the XT-n. Or licensed the rights to produce and modify that design and brought out its own version.
Posted by: sPh | Sunday, 30 September 2018 at 12:49 PM
Outside the USA or without carrier support, prices for the iPhone can and do get comical. the announced price of an iPhone xs max 64gb here (₹99,000) i can get pretty much any recent aps-c camera with a kit lens and have enough left over to buy a phone that can do everything else the iPhone does.
Posted by: almostinfamous | Sunday, 30 September 2018 at 01:05 PM
Not to change subject but go look at new fx from Zeiss will blow ur mind..has Lightroom 512g internal no df card all sorts communications Scary!
Posted by: John Wilson | Sunday, 30 September 2018 at 01:14 PM