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Friday, 10 February 2017



I've had success using https://thedarkroom.com for developing, and they have a handy way of scanning so that you can access them online before you receive the negatives, CD and proof sheet back. I think developing a roll of 120 with the "enhanced scans" option is $15, so around $20 total after shipping.

However, I checked out Duggal and they look way more high end.

Do not get rid of it! Back in the day, the Mamiya 7 cameras were where I wanted to go, but could never afford. It along with the Pentax 67 II were dream cameras. I used an old Yashica TLR along with my 4x5 for years. If I was still shooting film, the Mamiya 7 and the Pentax "Texas Leica" would be in my bag. Or as a photo buddy once told me: "Anything smaller than 5x7 is miniature format!".

I carried on of the 7II's across India for a month, with three lenses. Great camera.
I have a Hasselblad clone that will be getting dusted off this weekend.

The Mamiya 7 was the best B&W hand camera I ever used. Had to sell it to go digital. If I ever went back completely to film this would be my camera - color or B&W!

I've gotten back into film in the last year, and I'd recommend Indie Film Lab for developing and scanning. They do a great job. I've also tried The FIND Lab and Richard Photo Lab--they're both great too, but I've liked what I got from Indie Film Lab better. Now this is for a film to digital workflow--no prints from the negatives.

Since you said XP2, Ilford also has a developing service in LA that might be better suited to their film.

Glad you intend to keep it, and use it. I was going to suggest that if you feel the need to sell it, you set a high reserve and then conduct a silent auction here on TOP, with the proceeds going to a good cause: TOP. But much better to keep it. I always wanted one, myself, but never had the spare scratch. Makes shooting film - or just shooting - newly compelling.

Unless you can't pay the rent I would suggest never selling older film cameras of any format. My film cameras dating back to the 50's give me a certain peace just looking at them. Much like old songs each camera reminds me the time/place of their use. I have to say I'v no emotional attachment to any of the digital cameras I have purchased over the last 16 years.

And yes, from time to time I will buy a roll of film and exercise the cameras. At least for those I can still find film.
And, completely off topic, Spring is just around the corner as is baseball!


It is your camera. Do what you want with it! What you do with it is nobody's business but your own.

I prefer LTi Lightside. I use them for my 8x10s and color film, plus they are part of Penumbra where Carl Wesse teaches Platinum printing. They do a lot in the city to help promote photography and will probably give you a discount if you go there enough.

On the extremely rare occasions when I shoot film these days I send it to North Coast Photographic Services and get the "Ken Rockwell scans." Price is good, service is excellent and those scans are ready to go when I get the negs and a CD back.


It is no business of anyone, but you, what you do with your cameras. Besides, if you did sell, there is an excellent chance it would just sit on some other shelf, unused.

Yup, I see what you are doing here. Every time I think about selling a camera or lens I haven't used in ages, I end up taking some pictures with it. Then I end up keeping it until the next time I think about selling it. Repeat indefinitely.

I've got a Fuji 6x7 (fixed lens) film camera that hasn't gotten much use since the dawn of digital, and even some 120mm film still in the fridge for the past 15 years.

It's the ease of digital (no rolls of film, no spotmeter, no analog processing/costs, no waiting etc.) that remains as seductive as ever.

But I won't part with the Fuji; it keeps me connected to something important that's worth a whole lot more than money. It's something about history: of photography, cameras, our pre-socialmedia culture and of course my younger days. Reasons enough, to say nothing about maybe getting back to it someday.

The Mamiya 7II was a capable rig. I owned it with three lenses, the 50, 80, and the 150 tele (great when correctly focused). However, the camera body was relatively fragile, as compared to 135 format SLRs, and very prone to rangefinder misalignment when subjected to mild mechanical shock. Rangefinder repair was an ultra touchy procedure, involving some gluing; it was best done by an experienced technician.

This flaw made it essential to confirm rangefinder accuracy regularly, otherwise you'd have no way to assure optimum focus. The best way to check the rangefinder was to carefully focus on a distant target (while tripod-mounted) with the 150mm tele, and verify that the rangefinder displayed best focus at a point that coincided with the infinity indication on the lens' barrel. (There were erroneous rumors to the effect that the 150mm lens' infinity mark was misplaced, or that the lens exhibited back or front focusing. Those tales were simply the consequence of unknown rangefinder misalignment, careless testing, and mistaken conclusion.)

In view of the prevailing circumstances, there's little chance of finding anybody who's truly proficient in the repair of Maniya 7II rangefinders, so I'd recommend selling this rig fast. I sent my own 7II outfit off to KEH just a year or two ago.

Bryan Geyer
San Luis Obispo, CA

Whatever the camera I use I only shoot HP5, so what's the difference between my old K1000 or the new EOS 500 (with autofocus, whow!).

Moreover, I'll probably scan the film and end up working with Lr, so why bother shooting film in the first place?

For me it's about the camera itself. I could spend an entire day using the Pentax with no film at all, justo for the pleasure of using it.

I would think the photographer in you would have had several rolls of film thru the thing by this time. Much talk no photos.

[The film hasn't even arrived yet. And I'm still researching labs. It was more a Springtime thing I was thinking about. I always start thinking about Spring projects around this time of year. --Mike]

I do all my own processing (135, 120, 4x5). Quite enjoyable. Indeed, I just added to my scanner COLLECTION a super fast Pakon F335, an ex-minilab 135 scanner and can scan a whole roll in a couple minutes. It even supports XPan panoramic format. It's not for the faint of heart - requires XP and magic incantations - but there is a set of dedicated users hanging around on Facebook that are extremely helpful.

I just got a REAL Petzval lens for the Hasselblad with the original lens formulation and not the fake Lomography ones.

In some sense, it's the best of time to shoot film.

I will probably set up a scan and may be even develop service later, in my copious free time. Ha ha.

I have Fuji's version of the Texas Leica, a 6x9 rangefinder with 28mm equivalent lens and no meter. Purchased new in 1996. And a used Nikon scanner which delivers close to drum scan quality. I shoot TriX almost exclusively, but this camera/scanner combo great fun!

THANK YOU for giving me the cover for keeping my not really excess gear. I can now tell my SO you are to blame.

And yeah keep it and shoot it. Save a frame or two for me, OK?

And ... right here in ROC Edgar Prauss runs a top flight lab. Email me if you need more info. You

"So if you periodically get the urge to shoot film again, keep a film camera around. It's actually sensible....."

And cheap! There are exceptions of course, but, at least in 35mm, some really fine cameras are too cheap not to hang on to. Really not worth selling. Just have a film 'go bag' ready, stuffed in the corner of a closet. If you are out of film, that could be a problem though. I'm a week out, maul order wise, for film. I could drive the 120 mile round trip to buy some at a 'local' store, but with traffic that just does not appeal to me. So....B&H it is, just have to plan a week ahead.

give your film to Praus Productions in Rochester. I doubt that anyone's better than Edgar.

The best thing about film bodies is that they don't go out of date:) A digital body will suffer from dead and hard to find batteries, media cards, and the most deadly - fear of missing out!

Whereas my F2 shots the same 'sensor' as my M6 as my IIIC as my....and with a little care and luck will last for ages, and at this point, they've been deprecated so I'm not losing money by holding on to it.

So, yep, if you have a film body you like, keep it, it's not worth the money you get for it versus the fun you'll loose.

You can also donate it. Not everybody is able to pay.

At your previous post about this camera, I thought, mmm, nice, so I found the specs in an old publication and looked for used examples. But I've got a Zeiss Ikon 6 x 6 folder and I don't even use that. So it's another dream. (Sigh)

I do keep a few old film cameras, and they sometimes get used. I bet the Mamiya makes lurverly negs though. Have fun!

2nd for LTI Lightside - they are good people and pretty much the last place now where pros go to get their work done. E30th.

And I'll try once more- ditch the XP2 and get some Acros. If you do, the lab is Chelsea Black and White, not in Chelsea, just around the corner from Duggal, in "Flatiron" and they have the best BW line in Manhattan, my vote being for hand agitation in small tanks over D+D and burst agitation.

[Looks like Chelsea B&W might be gone. Their website redirects to a holding page in an Asian language. --Mike]

It's not often I share Facebook links, but I felt this album of images from Stockholm's last 'Camera Yard Sale' was relevant to the discussion about film cameras sitting unused on shelves:


The thing that struck me when I was looking through the images, was that all the people selling cameras were old men, and all the people buying were young kids (and maybe even disproportionately female - which somehow struck me as even more encouraging).

Whatever else one thinks about the resurgence of film, all the old grumpy men saying they've been through it before, and don't see the point aren't really relevant to the discussion anymore. The fact that some of them keep beautiful and usable equipment gathering dust on shelves isn't helpful to a new (and in many cases, less privileged) generation. I'm glad to see you're using your camera now anyway.

Incidentally, I bought a copy of The Revenge of Analog. It'll make interesting reading during breaks from my job - writing software...

The reason we suggested you sell it, is that we all know you are not a dedicated film shooter anymore. You have lost your mojo, and keeping this around to pull it out of the closet every 3 to 5 years is not what it's worthy of. It would be better off going to someone who would use it as a dedicated film afficionado.

Why spend the time and money to select and use a lab when for remarkably little you can recreate the development part of the process and then scan. One upon a time, you had the key elements nailed down. Scanning 120 to prints of modest size does not require drum scan quality -- and perhaps overall quality is no longer the issue when using film.

If you, like me, have kept some of the film equipment (Mamiya RZ 67 in my case) make sure to get it out at least every 6 months and shoot some exposures with all lenses to ensure they don't seize up. To little use is also bad for the equipment.

I've only had one roll of film developed by Duggal. I had shot a portrait session on slide film in somewhat dodgy lighting conditions, and I wanted a clip test done so that the money shot would be just right. I happened to have a trip to New York for my day job starting the day after the shoot, so I took the film with me and dropped it off at Duggal, explaining what I wanted. I came back the next day and picked up the slides, and the results were beautiful. The money shot ran in a magazine. I would definitely recommend Duggal for important processing jobs - and if you have specific processing instructions, be sure to talk to them. They listen.

ChelseaBW is now Chelsea Photographic Services in same location


no lab? try Precision in Austin TX. full service lab..any size and any product. i get my 35mm to hi res scans. great place great service.

Hello Mike,

It is said that analog is going to improve it's qualities in the coming times !

Dynamic range, stability, ease of use and so on.

XP2 is the analog JPEG

Go RAW. Go FP4 or HP5 !

Have Fun


You mention using Duggal in NYC..I have never used them so I cannot comment on them (though I'm guessing they are fantastic)...but I was wondering if you have ever had your B&W film processed as positives? If not, it's a thing to behold...especially with 120 film. I use a company that recently moved to Stuart, IA (he was in Denver by way of NYC before that) and the results are Terrific! I end up scanning my negatives nowadays so it's no sweat to me that they are not negative..it actually makes things easier. If you haven't done it yet I highly encourage you to do so.


Oops I forgot to name the company I have process my positive b&w film...it's called dr5-lab (www.dr5.com).

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