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Thursday, 11 August 2016


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I tend to find good wide-angle primes irresistible too. There's something jewel-like about them.

I'm glad I don't shoot Fuji or Sony.

If nothing else, one can certainly say that full electronic control from the camera body has meant a radical change in lens design!

"(I trust you got the title.)"

I did after I thought about it it. (When I was at university, and we heard any lewd jokes, my girlfriend (who was a Sunday School teacher) usually had to explain them to me. I'm sometimes slow with humour.)

It It - sure, do you take us for twits?

An 18mm equivalent is a little too wide for me but I'm sure the Zeiss is outstanding.

Mike, I also own the Fuji 14mm. It's a truly excellent lens and as wide as I personally want to go. Beyond 20/21mm equivalent, pictures can become too lens-effect gimmicky unless the shooter is vigilant. Luckily, I got the Fuji lens when it was on sale for "only" $499.

Ah, ha - I found out that the Touit's "elements" are made of polished sugar crystals and a batch came out with too much unfiltered raw sugar that was affecting resolution! They are on sale now :-)

Seriously, I enjoyed your book reviews immensely and intend to buy some of them. Fortunately, as a young kid, I came to love green vegetables and was not pushed to it either. But I still get caught "braking for yellow arches" way too often, so I need all the "help" I can get!

And it's round. (viewed from the front or back)

I'm sure the 12mm Touit is a great lens and that's a fairly aggressive price. Unless you need the wide aperture, however, another and in my opinion more versatile alternative for Fuji shooters is the 10-24mm f/4 Fujinon. I've been delighted with mine. It's sharp, with good colors and contrast. It's somewhat heavier than the Zeiss prime, needless to say, but it balances very comfortably on an X-T1 and it not only goes a bit wider but also provides both autofocus and image stabilization. (Its list price is the same as the 12mm Zeiss—at least in the United States—but I managed to pick one up for $800 during a Fuji promotion, and I've never had second thoughts.)

So, a new Genus "Touit Amphitheatricus"

I have a Zeiss Touit 12mm E mount which I use on my Sony 24Mb APS-C. Lovely lens, proving you can develop excellent ultra-wides for the E mount cameras.

As for 'no lenses' in the APS-C Sony series, I have 12mm (18), 24mm (36), 35mm FE (52) and 55mm FE (83) which covers all my usual bases.

The name makes me smile.
Reminds me of the circular drinks coasters with 'TUIT'written on top and text below that to the effect that "I'll fix it when I get a round tuit".

My fixation in the first few years was not sugar but diet Dr Pepper.

You have a good 14, still crave a 12, what does that mean?
It means you are a closet 'wide-ie'.
Like all good photographers you want to like the classic 'wide field' view 30-40mm on FF. And you do. There is much to be said for lenses that don't call attention to themselves with obvious expansion or compression of space. They disappear and let the picture come through. For many years I loved the Nikon 35mm f/2 on my Nikon F's
When I switched to Canon I loved their 35mm f/1.4, still do.
Wide angle lenses are not easy to use well, and very easy to use poorly. But when you get them right you can tell a whole story in a single frame.
For me the magic number is 17. 17mm gives you a bit more than 90 degrees horizontally (93). You can, in a pinch, place yourself in an interior corner and get the whole room. You obviously have to be careful with placing faces at the edge, but when it workes it works really well. It's great for classic 'near-far' compositions and anwhere you want the viewer to feel they are in the picture. It can also suck, like any other tool used badly. Canon makes the 17-40, and the fabulous 17 T/S Nikon makes a 17-35 . I own both Canons.
I own many Canon lenses, but over the years, when I take one lens, its the 17-40. If I take 2, I add the 85.
But what I noticed-- sometime after you first spoke about liking 40mm is that when I carry the 17-40, 90+% are taken at 17 OR 40-- rarely in between.
I carry my camera on a hand strap, and when I see a picture, as I am raising the camera to my eye, my fingers flick the zoom ring to one extreme or the other. If I see a 40mm picture the viewfinder is already there, same with 17.
I like it because I am not imposing one point of view on the world when I go out, but rather responding to what I find with a wide or normal view.
I also think for some of us there are ebbs and flows in the way we see the world. Sometimes most pix are at 40, other times most are at 17.
But the 90 deg horizontal, is a rubicon of sorts . Thats where it feels wide to me.
Maybe your eye is craving 90deg ??

My recommendation for GAS pangs is to get out and shoot with that fab Fourteen. ;-)

Cheers, Mike!

Cameras and lenses and sugar, oh my! I am often subjected to the game of tug-of-war between my brain's pleasure center and the prefrontal cortex. If the ratio is .99:1 or 1:.99, a splitting headache ensues.

As soon as they market a round Touit, I'll get one.

Last year on a whim I bought a Zeiss Touit 32mm F1.8 for Fuji X-mount. It produces a very nice, flare-resistant image with a subtle Zeiss-like highlight tones I've seen on most of their lenses. (I do have some quibbles with its slowness of AF and its aperture and focus rings being smooth rubber.) But is it really a better lens than Fuji's own 35mm F1.4 which I also have? No, not from my eye. Plus I actually prefer to use the Fuji 35 due to its lightness and tactile ring design.

I can't speak to the Touit 12mm but I expect a similar relationship to the Fuji 14mm. (And similar design quibbles from me.)

I'm hard-pressed to see Zeiss's product value proposition with these Touits in either X or E mounts. Both systems have strong equivalents. I encourage anyone considering these lenses to first rent a Touit (taking advantage of LensRental's sale!) and try before buying.

Sorry, not into it.



For your Fuji - Get the 12mm Zeiss.
It is 'enough wider' at two mm more than the Fuji that it is worth it.
Quality is the same as the Fuji when you check the images. Very good. The lens is a work of art - pretty enough to look at even if you didn't photograph.
Having had both I would go with the Zeiss if I could only have one.

Alcohol,drugs,cameras,lenses,cars,women, what's not to like ! Unfortunatly addiction to any of these changes rational rules is life.

Nikon sooooo needs to make one of these.

Touit? They got around to it?

Since we're talking about 12mm lenses, I'd like to mention the Rokinon 12mm f/2, which I'm finding to be a great performer on my Fuji Xt-1. I bought it after reading a review of it on Ian Norman's excellent blog about astrophotography, lonleyspeck.com. For roughly $400 USD, it's a great bargain.

As a former Fuji, and current Sony APS-C shooter, in my exprience the Fuji lenses are considerably better than the Touits at every comparable focal length.

If you have a Fuji body, shoot Fuji lenses. They're better than the XF-mount Zeiss glass.

RE: Chris Kern's comment about the Fuji 10-24. I don't own this lens (yet), but I've read great things about it and seen many wonderful images made with it. I don't think I could ever bring myself to part with the fab 14 prime, but I've thought about picking up the 10-24 for use with an X-T1 or X-T2 as a two lens "travel kit". Honestly, I think probably 90% of my shots would be covered with the 10-24 and the excellent 18-55 f/2.8-4.

It's a pity that Zeiss has forgotten about this lens line. But it is understandable, they are much more interested in riding the success of the Alpha 7 E mount system, introducing new Loxias and Batis.

Mike, I have one of these which I use on my A6000. It gives great results, but resolution wise, it doesn't compare to using wide angle lenses on full frame pro cameras. Sadly, whilst using it on a paying job yesterday it stopped working. It's making some strange noises and the camera (or my NEX-3) won't fire with it attached. Three months old. Did you know that in general electronic equipment tends to fail early in an items life?

I have sorted out my "just would love one of them" with a dual promise to myself.

No alcohol for a month ......

No purchases for a year.

The latter is extraordinary. I have been finding that just one more lens ( in my case the Olympus 12/2. A new pair of trousers, one more Icebreaker Merino walking shirtetc etc. The list of stuff I buy was endless.Now I am one month into a year of no purchases. At 60 I am lucky and in truth 1 year of buying nothing is SO SO SO releasing.

I sleep better. My bank balance is better and after years of thinking just one more lens would do ... I am ( at least temporarily) free of it.

Oddly I am getting out more, walking more, photographing more. Enjoying using one lens at a time. I realise this all sounds horrendously evangelical ..so apologies for that. But now I can read about lenses and strangely feel apart from it.

Missing the Chateau Musar though!

Never mind me. I've just come here to read the puns.

Touit, Tu-whoo! A merry note!

Happy to report, like many zeisses, good into the IR spectrum, 830nm, albeit more prone to flare.


I could never own anything that gave rise to so many obvious puns... ;-)

Now you have me craving ice cream sandwiches.

For M43, I'm really looking for a 10 or 10.5. And there are some -- manual focus, often from cinema lens families, but when you're that wide focus is kind of a general concept anyway.

It took me a while to get to wides, but the first 24mm was a bit win, and I'm now all the way out to 12mm for the full-frame Nikon. So having my widest M43 lens be 28mm-e is really not acceptable, not if that's going to be the primary system (an issue still heavily in debate inside my head).

Whenever I open up a file from the Touit, I'm almost always glad I used this lens and not some other.

This really is as close to perfect as an ultrawide lens gets. The Touit has a great mix or positive attributes: very low distortion, excellent sharpness, and captivating color. Best of all, the lightweight Zeiss combines with an XP-1 to make such a handy, totable camera. It's the closest I've come to my beloved old Fuji Wide 645 camera, a big, boxy rangefinder that acts like a jumbo point and shoot.

The Touit's 18mm view crops to cover the other wide focal lengths without straining the resolution, so I find it pairs beautifully with a DSR handling the tele scenes.

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