So we ended up, as usual, talking about two different things recently.
Michael Perini's Thousand Picture Project post the other day was about segregating your best work from the rest of your archives, and taking special measures to protect and preserve those images. That kind of project makes sense regardless of whether you shoot film or digital.
The discussion quickly morphed into a discussion about digital archiving and backups. Which is an important topic; it just isn't what he and I wanted us to discuss.
This has long been a bugbear of mine. Long ago, I recommended simply doing your heirs a favor by putting your best, most meaningful prints in a box and labeling it "My Best Photographs." Then when your heirs clean out your belongings, they'll know what box to keep. Their only other choice is to make a binary decision: Keep Dad's (or Mom's) photographs, or throw them all out? If the great mass of work is too large and undifferentiated, the most expedient decision will be to throw it all away. They probably know there are some treasures in there, but they don't know where they are.
It would be a hard-hearted heir, on the other hand, who wouldn't keep one box of your best stuff.
You see, your best work could be hiding. It's hiding amongst all the rest of the drek you produced along the way. It's safely backed up, yes, but who knows where it is? Who knows what it is?
We all produce a lot of crap. That's how photography works: you eat a lot of Crackerjack, and every now and then you get a prize. You take 400 pictures, and one of them turns out to be great and/or especially appealing or meaningful to you. You prize that one; the rest of them are essentially just process, work-product that can be thrown away with no loss.
Michael's Thousand Picture Project is simply an editing recommendation. He's saying, in effect, you're the only one who knows which pictures, out of all of your pictures, you really like; don't forget to tell other people what those are.
The fact is, your best work could get lost right there at home...nestled in amongst the thousands of other shots you're carefully archiving and backing up every four years. Nobody else is going to take the time to carefully look through those megaterrabytes of data you've created and extract the gems. You're the one who has to do that.
It's very common for these discussions to devolve into just talking about backing up. We're all interested in backing up. Nor is it uncommon for discussions about backups to default to increasingly idealized—and impractical—solutions. Before you know it, people are recommending that you spend 40 hours a week treating the effluvium from your cameras like it's the Dead Sea Scrolls or the U.S. Declaration of Independence and needs to be protected from everything up to and including possible nuclear war.
Preserving your working archive is hard, whether it's film or digital. Preserving your "selects," your high points, your best successes, is much less hard, because there are far fewer of those. But can't just file them in your head. You have to find a way to let other people know which pictures you think are most worth preserving.
Mike
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Tuomas: "Well said! The problem is, the task of going through all my photographs is staring to seem gargantuan, almost impossible.... Which only strengthens your argument: if I can't be bothered to look through my own photos, surely no one else will do it!"
Carl Blesch: "When my mother died, I had only a few days to close up her retirement community condo and decide how to handle all she left behind. I was in the midst of raising three kids and managing a job relocation, so I had no luxury of weeks or months to examine, ponder and triage. Early in the process, my wife and I found drawers full of formal dining tablecloths. Some appeared to be fine embroidered linen, but most were just casual needlepoint on ordinary cloth. In addition to the lack of time, neither of us had the skills to discern what was valuable and what wasn't, nor did we have the time or money to find and bring in an expert. It all went into the dumpster in one fell swoop. It still nags me to know there could have been a precious piece or two in the pile. This example isn't photography, but it was the first thing I thought of when I read your post!"
Ann: "My father in law was a shutterbug, and we got all of the thousands of slides when Mom died. My lovely spouse sorted through them, and narrowed it down to a few hundred, which I had scanned, then picked the best hundred, fixed color and contrast, and made a disk which got shared with the family.
"What was truly important to the family...every picture that got saved was a photo of family members doing something recognizable. Standing in front of the house on Elm Street. Opening presents in the house in Minnesota. Kids in Grandma's lap.
"The grand landscapes, or cityscapes, or indigenous tribesmen? All gone. None of the family cared about that stuff, regardless of quality. I like my images. I make books of the best and print and hang my favorites on the walls. But I have no illusions that any of the rest are going to survive me. So I don't worry about it. I just enjoy the process of making them."
Severian: "Well said. I wish my father-in-law had taken the trouble to do this. We are faced with thousands of slides—some of which we would likely really want—most of which we couldn't possibly care about. Whether we find the time and energy to find the former among the later remains to be seen."
Curt Gerston: "Without intending it as a 'best of' archive, I've been doing something for a decade now that I think will serve. During the year, as I take thousands of family and landscape pictures, I rate them in Lightroom. Then, as an end of year project which I always really enjoy, I go back and sift through just the few hundred that rated highest. For my wife for Christmas, she gets a book with the 75 best photos I've taken of our daughters, which I print on 8x8 Moab matte paper and put in a Moab Chinle book. It's meant to be a gift but serves as an archive too...neither she nor my daughters will ever want to go through my computer drives for this stuff, and won't have to.
"Second, I pick the 12 best landscape shots and, probably like thousands of other photographers, make a calendar. It may not be original, but again, it selects out my best stuff for keeping.
"Those Chinle books are great, and the paper makes the book as nice to hold and touch as to look at. And it gives me a manageable number of photos each year to really 'finish' and work hard on. So, while the primary purpose of these two highly anticipated (by me anyway) projects is gift-giving, it helps with the archive too."
One thing I do that others might find helpful is to create "best of" collections. At the very least, every photographer should have a "best of" collection for every year. For some, this may be only one or two dozen photos. Other photographers may end up with several dozen, at which point it might be useful to sub-divide them into categories, such as best portraits, best travel shots, best family photos, etc.
Once you have a collection, I strongly suggest you print it. I prefer photo books that I send to family and friends; others may prefer framed inkjet prints in portfolio boxes. It's all good, as long as you're willing to do the work of separating your best from the rest rather than leave it to luck and fate.
Posted by: Gordon Lewis | Tuesday, 12 May 2015 at 10:38 AM
Corollary: By far the most unmet photographic need today is in tools for selecting pictures, not in tools for making or editing them. The problem of making technically blameless pictures at nearly no monetary cost is solved, and has been for a while. The problem of selecting meaningful photography for viewing from the rising tide of pictures (one's own and others') keeps rising in cost. The cost is of course measured in time.
Posted by: mbka | Tuesday, 12 May 2015 at 10:43 AM
You have pretty well hit the problems of turning over large numbers of prints or files or ... slides(?) to heirs. I still have boxes of snapshots and other "stuff" left by my parents. The key is to try to narrow it down to what is truly meaningful to you (and hopefully to them.)
I have thought for a while that a way to pass on my "gems" in an easy to handle form would be to assemble them into a book. There are a number of ways to do this. I have produced a couple of small print on demand books that have been very satisfying and not terribly expensive to print. I'm not creating best sellers but they are great keepsakes for a couple of projects. Once done, you can print as many as you need to cover your heirs and it is available to others if there's anyone else out there who wants to buy a copy. So why not treat your "Book of Greatest Hits" as a book project?
Posted by: Rip Smith | Tuesday, 12 May 2015 at 10:59 AM
Two questions:
- Should most of us really be looking for the best 100 or at most 200 pix? I expect that for many of us, the best 1000 is much too inclusive.
- Are these the best according to us, or according to our families or other 'neutral' observer?
Posted by: Richard Newman | Tuesday, 12 May 2015 at 11:14 AM
Mike thanks for clarifying the archiving strategy. Perhaps one should also include in the box a current technology based media copy of the original file and of the file that was printed. This would be archived and continually rolled over as new technology arrives. And write the file names on the back of the print.
bd
Posted by: Bob Dales | Tuesday, 12 May 2015 at 12:10 PM
Good clarification.
I began a project around the first of the year, really a two-part thing. First, to pull out and organize the photos that are really important to me so I can easily archive and back them up (and in the process to permanently delete/destroy a few pictures that should never go public). The second part is to change the way I handle files to make it easier to pull out the favorites in the future.
My goal by the end of the year is to have a manageable, organized archive of the photos most important to me - including finished versions and camera originals. This will include family photos, personal souvenirs, and of course what I consider my best photos.
I'm guessing this will come down to around 300 digital photos on one hard drive (with backup drives of course) plus a small trunk of prints from my film days. The film archive is pretty well culled after a fire in a storage locker several years back - something that seemed a disaster at the time but I now consider a blessing.
Wish me luck on actually following through and finishing the project.
Posted by: Gato | Tuesday, 12 May 2015 at 12:35 PM
A little story sort of on this topic. The other day I picked up a small piece of paper on my bedroom floor. Glancing at it on the way to the trash I realized it was a photograph so I stopped to examine it more closely. It turned out to be a black and white picture postcard of the Gay Head Cliffs on Martha's Vineyard. Turning it over it was a note written by my father to his father in Tampa postmarked 1944. In a couple of sentences it told of a trip to the Vineyard by my mother and father while he was on leave from his naval duties. An event none of their children had ever heard of. The card apparently came out of the bedroom closet, now I have to search that closet to see what other treasurers are hidden there.
Posted by: Terry Letton | Tuesday, 12 May 2015 at 12:44 PM
I have a question. Has anyone suggested self publishing a book of one's favorites/best pictures? My brother-in-law, a successful pro for years, who was an assistant to Irving Penn, has come out with three books on Blurb. I bought one and it is very nicely printed. From what I can see on the Blurb site, you can get a nice printing job done for a non-ruinous price. Then you get three or more made and keep them with the usual suspects. Also, Blurb, or any of the other self-publish sites has the template to make more copies if needed.
Just another alternative.
Posted by: James Weekes | Tuesday, 12 May 2015 at 12:44 PM
Interesting idea, but I thought editing was an integral part of photography. I do print images, and I only print what I think are worth printing. By default, these are my "best". Even social sharing only highlights the "best" of a photographer
Does anyone really upload an entire shoot to flickr? and if so, these are the people who need to be educated (or beat on the head with a stick)
Posted by: Alan | Tuesday, 12 May 2015 at 01:07 PM
"The fact is, your best work could get lost right there at home...nestled in amongst the thousands of other shots you're carefully archiving and backing up every four years."
Yes ! That's exactly my fear; that if something should happen to me (something will, sooner or later, but if it's later, I'm sure I'll thoroughly enjoy pruning my photo collection in retirement) a potentially nice collection of my photos will never be gathered from my entire Lightroom catalog.
On the flipside, one of the fears that comes out of the idea of actually doing that exercise, though, is that it will beg the question: why keep any of the remining 64,000 photos ?
Posted by: Dennis | Tuesday, 12 May 2015 at 01:49 PM
The difference is between "backing up" (or "archival prints for 500 years") as a sign of purely technical expertise and mastery, and making live for your heirs easier.
It's the same difference between a perfectly exposed 99 Megapixel photo of s brick wall and that one beloved photo of grandpa when he was a boy.
Posted by: Jerome | Tuesday, 12 May 2015 at 03:26 PM
The Kernel of my suggestion related first to personal Family pictures, some of which may not even be on our main backup /archive solution, whatever that may be.
I suggested some kind of limit to force a choice, because as Mike J. has pointed out a limited and segregated group stands a far better chance of actually being saved.
Especially if we label it 'Save These"
I was talking about a limited number of PICTURES.
I think my mistake was to mention the "Extra Durable Flash storage" as an easy way to do it, But it was the concept I was talking about.
Several people mentioned Books, which are great if printed on durable paper with color fast inks. Others mentioned Boxes of Prints---equally valid & probably nicer
All the talk about backup and archiving is probably a great indicator of how big a concern it is- for all of us.
I took pains to say I understood that NO digital solution is permanent, or even long term at the moment so I probably should have left out any reference to any method for safe guarding them.
The Gist of the suggestion was simple, no one will ever understand our archive the way we do. No one will take the time go go through Tens of thousands of files,-- even if they liked us and the files are well organized.
So the Idea was Do the hard personal edit now, and put it in as many strong hands as possible. You will have given them a great gift .....twice.
The Work, AND the EDIT.
For me it was about the Pictures and giving selected ones an EXTRA layer of protection.
It certainly is not a New Idea, --just one that doesn't always get done.
If you already do it, my hat is off to you.
All the best,
Michael (P)
Posted by: Michael Perini | Tuesday, 12 May 2015 at 04:08 PM
Just make a Blurb book.
Posted by: mani | Tuesday, 12 May 2015 at 05:01 PM
My view on this is that most -not all- photos depend in part on the viewer understanding the context in which the picture was taken. If you just grab your top 100 or 1000 and set them aside, future generations will value them much less than today’s because they will not have the background needed to appreciate them.
A project I am working on is called “100 Stories”. I have somewhat over 3TB of stills/video. I do not expect most people to dig through all this. 100 Stories is designed to take the best of the 3TB put it into 100 stories and bring the people and places in the images to life and provide the context needed to appreciate the value of the material.
Each of the 100 stories ends up as a less than 3 minute presentation. Each presentation can include a combination of stills, video, voice overs, and text.
I absolutely plan to store the 100 stories on the same disk as the raw data. The idea is that the individual stories introduce you to the material and give you the context you need to understand it. If you have any interest then you can dig deeper into each subject and appreciate it far more than you would have without the introduction.
Posted by: dave2 | Tuesday, 12 May 2015 at 06:01 PM
I thank the day I decided I would never let a photo into my catalog that wasn't key-worded and star-rated. All the way back to my first digital in 2004. That said, I still have a major task ahead of me.
Posted by: Joe Holmes | Tuesday, 12 May 2015 at 06:23 PM
I am intimidated by a large volume of photos and just where to start (in my case) printing the "keepers". I then get caught up I how to physically archive the box, proper materials, et cetera. But I think I've found a way that might work for me. If I pick topics, I can easily get them printed into a book. It's easy to store, even easier to access, even easy to store in pdf if I want a digital archive (and reproduction). It's not a supercheap solution but I think it'll give my pride the longevity it desires and maybe cut through procrastination's roadblocks.
Of course, I just have to decide on which service to use. And format. And size. And cover. And...
Posted by: Marc | Tuesday, 12 May 2015 at 06:26 PM
Why wait until you are dead? Start giving gifts of prints to loved ones. It won't take that long until you have all of your best in good hands.
If you really want family prints to last, some kind of written narrative along with the prints would be very helpful. I've sat around a table looking at 70 year old family photos, and nobody in the room was able to identify some of the people in the photos - and that was before the last relative of my parents' generation died.
As far as editing goes, having an extended, categorized portfolio is easy with digital. I have a "best this year" virtual folder, and I have other virtual folders by categories: Landscape, Figurative, etc. It's easy to put "likes" into the "best this year" folder as I go along. Every few months when I'm in the mood, I review a category or two and see if any "best this year" photos measure up to my past work.
Posted by: Bruce Mc | Tuesday, 12 May 2015 at 06:30 PM
There is another possibility no one has mentioned.
Create an online gallery with your best portfolio work. Preferably a free site which supports a reasonable size upload.
Do it in the name of a shared owner. Several of you, should you want, can share the archive, plus any relatives you want to leave it to. A Google+ group for instance.
Should Google fold, it is still possible to download the content and upload it somewhere else.
I don't think anything will be stored locally within a few years. It's not persistent, whereas the cloud is. It is too distributed to damage in its entirety and it is maintenance free.
Personally, I don't care what happens when I'm gone. I can't think that any of my relatives would have any use for my work.
Posted by: Steve Jacob | Tuesday, 12 May 2015 at 06:30 PM
To me what you are talking about is a strong final edit, with some kind of good quality output. When it comes to digital most of us have many thousands of "keepers" resulting from a couple edits not long after shooting. It's not easy to pare down after that, especially with family shots. In fact, when I dislocated my knee I had time to make a complete run through all my family photos and all I did was improve some favorites and discover a few hidden gems, adding to the pile.
Printing, though, forces a strong edit. No way I could print all that. So an effort to make a solid print collection will be worthwhile.
Posted by: John Krumm | Tuesday, 12 May 2015 at 06:44 PM
I'm half way there...
I use lightroom for cataloguing, and the give the photos a 'star' rating:
- Delete the technically 'bad photos'
- Keep the rest (storage is cheap)
- The ones 'worth looking at' get 3 stars
- The ones I'd put in a portfolio get 4 stars
- The ones you'd call 'the quintessence*' - that I like regardless of merit to others, the cream of my crop, get 5 stars.
I can now filter out the wheat from the chaff, so to speak. And as a result I've noticed:
- The 3 star ' average' photos are sometimes '5 stars', if its an average photo of something or someone now gone.
- The 4 star photos, sometimes on review after a time, move to 5 stars
- The 5 star photos, sometimes on review, move to 4 stars.
Now, I can find the ones worth preserving - although I really should do a print run and archive properly, given that nobody in my circle of friends would have a clue about Lightroom... As I said, I'm half way there...
David
* That's a reference to Walter Mitty, that I knew I'd get to use one day...
Posted by: David | Tuesday, 12 May 2015 at 07:33 PM
For Dennis, re: "... why keep any of the remining 64,000 photos ?"
I thought the same of the *64,000 photos of my dog. And then he died. Photos that didn't quite seem worth keeping are now more valuable. Not the whole collection, just a couple that were not important when taken, but with hindsight, the meaning of a meaningless photo can become apparent.
David
* not quite 64k...
Posted by: David | Tuesday, 12 May 2015 at 07:38 PM
Mike,
This is right. This is the right thing to do.
My spouse and I are starting a project where we are going through the last year's photographs, and putting together a photo album for our kids for that year. A simple photo album - maybe just 5x7s and a few 8x10s in an inexpensive (but still archival) scrapbook.
Someday I'll do the perfect solution, but for now, there's no question that my kids will understand what their parents thought was important about 2014. And there's no question in my mind which files get backed up separately!
The larger plan is to go back in time, year by year, until we complete the year the oldest was born. We haven't thought about what comes before that, though there's not nearly as much urgency to it. In a perfect world we'd make as many books as there are years, and we'd make as many copies as there are kids, but this is a not a perfect world. I would be okay with dying an old, old, man, with shelves creaking under the weight of sixty-odd albums, though for the sake of their sanity, perhaps a smaller, "greatest hits" album would be appropriate once I reach my seventies.
Posted by: Trecento | Tuesday, 12 May 2015 at 07:41 PM
Six years ago I started making a photo calendar for gifts for friends, generally using my favorite photos from the farm during the past year. It's gotten quite a following, so much that people start asking me late in the year if we are doing another calendar. So each year in October I go through the year's photos and pick my best, use the calendar option in iPhoto (now Photos) and order a bunch of calendars. I've found that the quality is acceptable and people have been saving them, so by default I have done some archiving. And I don't have to do any Xmas shopping!
Posted by: Jim | Wednesday, 13 May 2015 at 01:42 AM
So what will our descendsnts want to see in old photographs ? Relatives will want to see great grand parents, old uncles and aunts etc.So one should not just print/save copies but also identify the subjects and date the picture.
Non relatives may be interested in places to see how things have changes since the day. "Gee see how main street looked in such and such a year" so again identify and date the subject if possible.
Digital backups can save dates and locations but I know no simple way of appending comments to individual prints.
As to preserving and high lighting our "best" prints. I suspect a little Ozymandias symptom in there, or possible Vivian Maier if we wish to dream.
Posted by: Thomas Paul Mc Cann | Wednesday, 13 May 2015 at 02:11 AM
I have solved this problem a long time ago: ever since I started taking pics, I printed the "best" ones, and put them in albums. I am very selective of what goes into an album, so that my kids do not have trouble doing any selection when I die.
I also have folders with my slides stored in proper archival sheets.
For the digital age, I continue to print and albumize the best ones, and store the rest in hard drives for backup. The important part is even what ends up in the external drives is a careful selection, not all the crap photos I take.
Makes life easy for the next generation...
Posted by: Paulo Bizarro | Wednesday, 13 May 2015 at 03:38 AM
I quit taking pictures for myself when I turned 58, and a little after the time my mother died (just lost interest, especially on the cusp of the digital era of "constant clicking" photo bombarders). I learned in my 40's, it was far better to experience life, than to turn every experience into an opportunity to take a picture.
Over the years, I've weened my commercial files out, because at best, they were examples of regional advertising of no special import, and at worst, they were boring and simplistic catalog photos, so in the trash they went. I might have kept maybe 20 samples of my commercial years.
My personal work, has been weened over the years, but could still use another go. The eventuality is to buy a fresh scanner and desk-top Mac, while I can still afford it, and hole-up in a cheap apartment in a medium sized town that I can easily afford for at least a year, and build a direct-to-press book from Blurb of my weirdest or most "off-kilter", or meaningful (to me) work from when I started to shoot at ten years old, until I was about 58.
Once that's done, and I bought myself ten copies...I don't care what happens. Never met my true love, so never got married, never had kids, have no one to will it to, and anyone I do will it to, won't care and will look at is as an albatross around their neck.
If I don't get run over, or killed in any particular quick way, I may just start a fire of it all when I start to feel bad...
Posted by: Crabby Umbo | Wednesday, 13 May 2015 at 10:22 AM