I'm really extremely sorry about this, but henceforth I need to make people fill out a CAPTCHA box when commenting. I've held off as long as I thought I could. [See new Update below.]
I'm painfully aware that this is not ideal. "We apologize for the inconvenience" is such a stock phrase that it's almost white noise now, but...I'm sorry. I apologize. For your inconvenience. I know it's inconvenient.
The reason is that the spam filters are just not working well enough any more. I don't know what happened, but for a number of weeks now I've been getting large numbers of "real" comments mixed in with the spam, which means I have to laboriously comb through all the spam (and there are tremendous amounts of it) to save the actual reader comments buried therein. In addition to the regular comment moderation, it's just an onerous amount of labor. I figure people come here to read the posts, and this is just stealing too much time from productive work.
If this doesn't solve the problem, I'll have to make you register in order to comment. I really, really hope we do not have to go that far.
Sorry... (<—sincere apology).
—Mike, TOP Comment Moderator and Keeper of the Peace
P.S. May I just add that I loathe spammers with an unspeakable passion. They should all have their gonads cut off with machetes, and I say that as an avowed nonviolent pacifist.
UPDATE 2:30 p.m. Monday: Great news! (I hope.) I just heard from TypePad, and they are in the process of retiring TypePad Anti-Spam and switching to a premium outside spam-fighting service called Impermium. This is the Anti-Spam programming used by Engadget, Major League Baseball, CNN, ESPN, Wired, The Washington Post, and tumblr., among many others. I'm told the new system should be implemented "very soon."
So, hopefully, the CAPTCHA inconvenience will prove to be very temporary for all our commenters. And thanks to everyone for all your input, kind comments, and continued support. —Mike
Original contents copyright 2013 by Michael C. Johnston and/or the bylined author. All Rights Reserved. Links in this post may be to our affiliates; sales through affiliate links may benefit this site.
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Featured Comments from:
nige: "Blunt machetes...."
Jeff Grant: "Will this really help? I have been inundated with spam of late. The amount has increased from maybe 40 to up to 1000 daily.I hope that it settles down soon.
"And while I'm at it, that Captcha box is one of the almost illegible ones. I have seen some lately that are eminently more readable. Any chance of a change?"
Mike replies: Yes, the latest wave of spam appears to be giving the programmers fits. I've been patiently waiting for this particular wave to pass but it just keeps getting worse.
And no, I don't have lots of options as to what I can do about it. I'm limited by the TypePad template I use.
Greg: "I'd be curious for a poll on this because for me, I'd much rather register than having to go through CAPTCHA. I would suspect that most commenters here are people who are long-time commenters who are basically registered already. And this isn't to say one can't register through a nom de plum if they need some relative sense of anonymity."
Ken Ford: "Mike, I am a part of the moderation team for a very large music forum. We've found the majority of the spam problem comes from human shills— CAPTCHAs really only help at registration and can pose real problems with legitimate posters when overused. Don't be surprised if you see a formidable drop-off in comments; I'd personally rather see a registration scheme, it's less intrusive on the comment process."
Mike replies: Well, not so far—I woke up late today (worked till 4 a.m. yesterday) to find 61 new comments.
Rest assured, though, that I am watching carefully, listening to peoples' opinions, and working toward a solution. I'm waiting to hear back from TypePad with their recommendations, too.
Johan Grahn: "As an avid reader I admit to having no idea whatsoever how much work it is to moderate comments. Probably a lot more than I can imagine. And I really like the fact that 99.9% of the comments are good. I might not agree but they are very reasonable. And I don't have to filter them myself. I don't see silly nerd battles. So do whatever you have to do to keep the civil tone that is the signum of this site. It's a major factor that makes this site the number one site on photography. At least on this planet's internet. I want to continue to visit your friendly 'living room' and listen to all your intelligent, wise and beautiful guests! I second the motion to use a simple math question. It is easier to read than the other way. Maybe try that to begin with and see if it works."
Mike replies: The amount of work varies. It can go from quite light to pretty amazingly time-consuming (like it is today). I, too, enjoy the comments—I obviously don't get much from reading the posts, since I write them, but I almost always learn from, and am entertained by, many of the comments.
Another downside for me is that all the nastiness you don't see, I do see. But these days that mainly comes from newcomers who aren't familiar with TOP or our "tone." And there aren't all that many of those. They take a lot of time, cumulatively, because I need to be courteous to them in case they are actually nice people temporarily disguising themselves as a-holes. Sometimes, unfortunately, they are, indeed, just a-holes. :-)
I was going to give you a recent example, but why expose you to it? Goes against the grain.
Peter Filtness: "Mike, Whatever it takes to read and comment on TOP...it just hit me how often I read TOP and how many magazines I no longer buy. I now only subscribe to TOP (as of today) View Camera magazine and Birds Australia, so you're in good company...keep it coming...."
Mike replies: Thanks Peter, I'm trying!
Robert P: "Hello my name is Mbeke Ombwonyke, I have recently been given your details from a mutual colleague. It has come into my possession $60,000,000 which I am having in a bank account here in Nigeria but am unable to leave the country. If you could esteemed colleague send me your bank details I will assure you 50% of this transaction which will be converted into vintage Leica M cameras and then smuggled out of the country by camel mule. When arriving at your house, you only have to untake the cameras from the camel mule and place them on ebay and our mutual wealth will be assured. I look forward to helping us in this matter. Your ever present camel friend Mbeke."
Mike replies: [Homer Simpson voice]: Mmmmm, Leicas....
Mike, I think I would rather register than have to decipher CAPTCHAs every time I post. I really dislike CAPTCHAs.
As for spammers, send them all to an island in the middle of the ocean with no internet connection.
Posted by: Paddy C | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 04:23 PM
Blunt machetes.
Posted by: Bruce Robbins | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 04:39 PM
relax mike, a captcha is "ok"!!!
Posted by: Sylvain G. | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 04:39 PM
If it means keeping TOP up I'll gladly do a Captcha or register.
Thank you for running a great blog, Mike.
cheers,
John
Posted by: John Hall | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 04:48 PM
Go for it. If Captcha does the job, all well and good. If not, registration (verified) to qualify for commenting is a small price to pay for maintaining the Comment Moderator's sanity.
Posted by: Michael Matthews | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 05:08 PM
FYI, Mike, I have long been occasionally challenged with this entry when commenting on TOP. It's unpredictable, not seeming to be related to the computer I'm using or any other discernible factors. It also does not seem to ensure that my comment gets admitted for moderation, either. In general I estimate that only about 3 in 5 of my comments ever gets posted. No profound losses to human knowledge but often a bit frustrating.
So if implementation of this checkpoint helps to at least ensure that valid comments pass through the gate the step will be welcome.
Posted by: Kenneth Tanaka | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 05:10 PM
For many years, tech blog Coding Horror used a radically simplified CAPTCHA that only required users to type the word "orange" into a box when posting. The CAPTCHA image never changed, and it was easy to read. That ridiculously simple step was apparently enough to stop spam from appearing in the comments there for a long time.
I have heard that systems that pose a simple arithmetic problem ("What is 2 + 3?") are also surprisingly effective.
Although it's possible to program a computer to get around either scheme, that turns out to take too much time and effort. The economics of spam don't work if the spammer has to intervene; spam is profitable only when great tides of it can be produced with the barest of human effort. Even the smallest speed-bump may be enough to make the spammers look elsewhere.
My only objection to CAPTCHAs is that so many of the modern ones are only barely human readable, and it can take me several tries to get them right. Sometimes I give up. The "orange" system and the arithmetic systems don't give me any trouble, though.
Posted by: Lyman | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 05:29 PM
Mike, I'm sure I'm not the first to say this, but: Do what you have to do to keep TOP running. Captcha's are inconvenient. TOP as a read-only experience would be even more inconvenient.
Posted by: James Sinks | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 05:32 PM
I want to register, especially if I get some kind of TOP lapel pin or wallet card.
Posted by: Bill Pierce | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 05:33 PM
I wouldn't mind user registration, maybe with 'anonymous' comments getting a captcha & a note that they'd be later to post, since they'd be in the queue.
Will
Posted by: Will Frostmill | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 05:40 PM
A CAPTCHA is fine; much less of a pain than logging in, and still does a great filtering job.
Don't feel bad about this!
Posted by: Charles Lanteigne | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 06:06 PM
I was going to comment about your P.S. but it all just seems too hard now.
Posted by: Adam Lozo | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 06:12 PM
I'm pretty sure CAPTCHA is cracked in that there are computer programs that decode them fairly accurately ... in addition there are probably human worker farms that guess them for the spammers.
Posted by: psu | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 06:20 PM
For my 'money' I would rather register than do the CAPTCHA thing. That is SUCH a pain.
Posted by: christian | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 06:46 PM
Mike,
Registering may well be a better answer...
It can take me four of five goes to the write answer on these captcha things... I just don't seem to be able to read them.. and it then reduces the amount of comments.
At least once we are registered we can comment easily..
Posted by: Len Metcalf | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 07:05 PM
Mike:
It's probably an urban/internet legend, but I've read that a large proportion of those who are avowed opponents of the death penalty would be willing to make an exception in the case of spammers.
Posted by: Steve G, Mendocino | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 07:10 PM
Probably necessary, we spend just a little more time and you get to manage yours much better. Just don't get too excited or expectations too high. You will go from "real comments" mixed in the spam to spam mixed in the "real comments". And if you add registration, you will need to deal with spammer registrants. Why? Because there is some pseudo business model to do with search engine optimization that makes people think that all hits are good hits. And there are people who will do this manually, all you can stop are the bots. But, hang in there. To us readers its worth it.
Posted by: Del Kimbler | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 07:30 PM
Hey, we'll get over it.
Posted by: www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1140799161 | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 07:47 PM
Registering for comments might be easier than the damn CAPTCHAs for me: I seem to have a 1 in 5 success rate with them...
Posted by: Raymond Alexander | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 07:47 PM
I don't comment here that often, and when I want to leave a comment the captcha wouldn't bother me that much, but I would rather do a one-time registration and be done with it rather than have to fiddle with the verification every time I comment.
Too bad there is not a way to allow users to register and not be troubled with verification, while non-registered commenters would be subject to verification.
Posted by: Edd Fuller | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 08:26 PM
Have you ever played the sounds that CAPTCHA boxes offer you? I believe these sounds come from the mouths by spammers who have been disappeared by forces unknown. Seriously, click the speaker icon on a CAPTCHA box with your sound cranked up—it's very, very spooky.
Posted by: Bahi | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 08:30 PM
Mike, go for it. We understand!!!
Spam is the bane of modern civilisation (or lack of it).
Posted by: Steve Jacob | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 08:34 PM
I reckon anyone with a blog of their own would be impressed you've held out this long!
Posted by: Tim F | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 08:43 PM
Mike, no apology necessary. White noise: it is what it is. Not a big deal. Just hope the letters or words are decipherable. Sometimes they are quite difficult to discern.
Posted by: Mark | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 08:46 PM
I take my comment back. It is, at least for me, extremely difficult to make out one of the "words."
Posted by: Mark | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 08:47 PM
So, the last but one bastion of decency falls. Sigh, sigh.....
Posted by: Ranjit Grover | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 08:54 PM
I too, despise spammers. To assist with the flow of my beloved TOP, I'm more than happy to assist with minimising the demands on Mike's time. I'm more than happy to log in with my (essentially inactive) typepad.com account. Besides, I can then quickly find all my previous comments -- a bit like my personal bookmarking into TOP.
Oh. That's interesting. There's no 'captcha' box.
Posted by: Thingo | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 09:32 PM
How do you get the comment notices? If they come by e-mail with the contents of the comment, perhaps you could try Spam Sieve (a free trial is available). It is very good, and accurate, at detecting spam.
I'd bet that a way could be found to avoid having to resort to captcha if e-mail could be used to detect the spam for you. I'd be happy to consult.
Posted by: Douglas Urner | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 10:00 PM
Just thought I'd say thanks for the blog.
Posted by: Steve | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 10:31 PM
Hi Mike,
Just an option to consider but http://mollom.com/ is a very good option if you can afford to spend a little money on spam fighting.
It's a little different than most spam monitoring services as it fallbacks on CAPTCHA.
eg:
- Content is submitted and is known spam: marked as spam.
- Content submitted and is unknown whether it is spam or ham: send CAPTCHA to determine.
- Content submitted and is known ham: goes into your moderation process.
Just something to consider, good luck!
Richard
Posted by: Richard Box | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 10:33 PM
I'm no fan of spammers but I'm much less of a fan of the fools who actually buy their crap and thus encourage them to keep on spamming. There are too many folks out there who need a visit from the clue X 4.
Posted by: Roger | Sunday, 14 April 2013 at 11:31 PM
Mike, it's only a small inconvenience, if at all. Hopefully you won't have to go over all the spam to find the real comments.
Posted by: toto | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 12:21 AM
Just out of curiosity, I clicked on the red "microphone" button; it played a really creepy sound. I don't know if it's just me or what.
Posted by: toto | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 12:23 AM
I'd prefer registering. Can be done via Google I believe. One other blog I read is on Yahoo. When one first registers the moderators read all your posts to ensure nothing out of line is coming through. After that your post goes straight on unless you blot your copy book when you would be back on probation for a while.
Why not appoint a few moderators to help weed out the spam whilst leaving approval of comments to der Fuehrer ?
Posted by: Paul Mc Cann | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 01:24 AM
Mike,
Please either go with the mathematical problems or let us register. Some captchas are ridiculous. Thanks for your work.
Posted by: Mark Hespenheide | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 01:38 AM
While I agree that forcing us to register is undesirable, could you give us the option to register? That way people who don't want to be captcha'd have another option available.
Posted by: Bernard Scharp | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 02:02 AM
Will register.
Posted by: Christer | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 02:49 AM
Sign of the times, Mike, keep up the good work.
Posted by: Bob | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 03:07 AM
Dear Mike,
The big thing is for you to stay sane. CAPTCHAs are fine if it helps you. I'd also have no problem registering and having to log in.
Posted by: Anthony | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 03:25 AM
I'd prefer registration to CAPTCHA (particularly Google reCAPTCHA).
Someone mentioned the awfulness of the audio option. Last time I tried, it was so severely distorted as to be unusable. That would effectively block anyone with vision problems from commenting.
(Yes I'm aware this is a photography blog!)
Posted by: Zach | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 03:41 AM
Mike, I vote for registering, make all new members have to reply to an email to activate their account..
Posted by: Ed | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 03:50 AM
Steve G, not an urban legend at all. It is well known that Richard Nixon first said that in a Usenet posting.
Posted by: Ed | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 03:56 AM
Hi Mike,
As already suggested by some, I would suggest to go for both options: for those that do not mind, or only sporadically comment, provide the CAPTCHA, for the others provide registration as an option. Many of us support the site anyway financially, so will not mind a registration as an extra.
Also, registration can provide you with extra opportunities with regards to your loyal followers.
Good luck either way.
Lars
Posted by: Lars Jansen | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 04:11 AM
Very reasonable and understandable.
Thank you for so many years of interesting and thought-provoking posts on photography.
I'm always with you, Mike.
Sincerely,
Frank
Posted by: Frank | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 04:29 AM
Can we register our guns at the same time?
Posted by: Player | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 04:46 AM
I think it's much less of a inconvenience to log in with Google or Facebook than type CAPTCHA. I hate that thing. I'm usually all ready logged in with both Google and Facebook so all I have to do is click the appropriate button.
Posted by: Miku Puustineviz | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 04:47 AM
I wouldn't mind to register, considering TOP is my main-stop on the net every day.
As long as you don't hire some "sw-developer" to implement a retarded 1990's style flash interface, all is good ;-)
Posted by: Andreas | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 06:27 AM
Years ago "Spam-Bots" did all the damage, and CAPTCHAs became an effective method to combat the pesky Spam Robots.
However, many of the Spams these days are created by an Army of Real People ;-( There isn't much you can do to fight them, other than moderate the comments.
Posted by: ShadZee | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 06:39 AM
Captcha is certainly OK if it helps with the spam. We have had to put a Captcha into our website for the same reasons. It is just too time consuming to deal with the spam, bots and webtrash that occur otherwise.
But how about a yearly registration/subscription model for those who would like to escape the Captcha? You could make the amount voluntary or set a suggested minimum - say $10/year? Exceptions can always be made based on need - students, for example. Many of us make donations periodically anyway so formalizing this would free us from Captcha. Making the amount voluntary like with freeware/shareware is a friendly thing to do.
Posted by: Andrea G. Blum | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 08:04 AM
I understand completely. My website has been hacked twice and my email taken control by some nefarious spammer operation just over the past three weeks. I've heard stories that several countries are targeting US site for hacking as means to find security breaches in merchant accounts. Who knows? At any rate, there are a lot of jerks wreaking havoc on the www.
Posted by: Bob Rosinsky | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 08:04 AM
Well, I am completely unobservant of the sidebars on TOP, silly me. You already do have a subscription model!!!! So nevermind my previous suggestion. "-)
Posted by: Andrea G. Blum | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 08:06 AM
Either way is fine with me. I think Captcha might be more effective as it is a bigger PITA. and BTW, if you are ever in Austin, Minnesota, the Spam Museum is a great place to visit and there is a diner across the street that serves, guess what?
We had a great morning there.
Posted by: Ed Kirkpatrick | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 08:22 AM
Register is OK with me Mike. Better than CAPTCHA, at least for me.
Regards
Posted by: Marcelo Guarini | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 08:50 AM
The CAPTCHAs depicted in the post are of a brand and design that is poorly designed and often incomprehensible. I've seen other types that are much better. Registering might be less annoying---you only have to do it once, or once in a while. Good luck with this.
Posted by: Keith B. | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 09:12 AM
I would also prefer registration to a captcha. The downside, of course, is that it makes it harder to entice new readers, and it can stifle spontaneous debate on hotbutton issues that bring new readers from other sources.
I personally like the idea of a captcha that doesn't change or a simple math problem, since apparently I am a non-human that is incapable of reading or understanding captchas...
Best,
Adam
Posted by: adamct | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 09:28 AM
I hate captchas because I have endless difficulty getting them right and cannot usually see where I am going wrong -- I suspect that I am filling them in correctly according to the instructions but that the instructions are wrong or inadequate.
I would prefer a registration and sign in process.
You already have a subscription available for TOP (which I think you do not publicise enough) so can you use the subscriber list to weed out spammers etc?
Posted by: Richard Parkin | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 09:53 AM
Ii agree - do what you have to do to retain what sanity you have left. However, I find captchas hard to read and often have to do multiple before i get in. I like the simple math kind. If people can't complete the simple math kind, you probably don't want them as readers.
Steve
Posted by: Steven Ralser | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 09:58 AM
As long as the words are easy to read I'll keep commenting. Many times,or times, one of the two words is just to hard to read.
Well here is goes.
Posted by: John Krill | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 10:06 AM
It's the price you pay for popularity.
Posted by: icexe | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 10:35 AM
My 2¢:I'd rather register, than Captcha.
Too many times I got the puzzle wrong, and gave up after the third try.
Why not do a poll?
Posted by: misha marinsky | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 10:43 AM
I'll add another vote for a registration system. I'm another of those people who has to cycle through a lot of CAPTCHAs before I hit one I can read.
Posted by: Peter Cameron | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 11:21 AM
I'd actually be OK with registration; captchas are a pain. But then you do have to balance whether other people will be turned away from commenting by the registration, particularly those who aren't "regulars".
It's sad that these things even have to be considered, but it can't be helped as long as spamming is even slightly effective (and that it's effective at all is the saddest part of all this).
Posted by: Paul Glover | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 11:33 AM
I'm with all the people who would rather register. That particular captcha engine you showed can be ludicrously indecipherable.
Remember as well that lots of spam comments may be done by real people and not machines. "spam-shops" as opposed to "sweatshops"
Posted by: Richard Tugwell | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 11:37 AM
Are there no options for whitelisting commentors with Wordpress? Someone like Kenneth Tanaka (and others) should be "known good" commentators.
BTW, I'd noticed a couple of my recent comments disappeared recently too. I was presuming the spam filter ate them.
Registration is another option especially if you can blacklist spammer that use humans to register.
Posted by: Kevin Purcell | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 11:53 AM
I'd rather register and log in only to comment, for sure.
But if that sends you into some sort of complicated orbit then the CaPthCha is ok..
Even though they drive me nuts, I would slog through the CaPTuRe=D so I can spam you with nonsense. Do what you need.
Posted by: David | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 11:58 AM
As others have said Mike, no need to apologize for this. We can understand that it is (unfortunately) necessary.
I agree with those indicating a preference for registration over CAPCHA. Seems like it would be a bit less intrusive. But hey, whatever works for you. It's not a big deal.
Posted by: ChazL | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 12:05 PM
Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart
To CAPTCHA or not to CAPTCHA
Not a trivial question for "open resource" sites which allow comments. For all the reasons enumerated in the CAPTCHA link. Not least of which is accessibility for those who are CAPTCHA challenged.
Spam is a problem hounding blogs with a large following, which are a magnet to opportunistic spammers. High traffic forums such as dpreview's usually require registration. CAPTCHA or registration deters spammers and bots. Actually, it's the spammers' computer or malware which CAPTCHA or registration is designed to stop. (I don't consider spammers humans, so it's OK to lump them with bots.)
But registration or CAPTCHA aren't designed to filter or deter snarky comments, drive-by snipes, flame wars, oneupmanship, and other forms of uncivil and boorish discourse which have desolated popular but unmoderated online forums like dpreview or even Luminous Landscape's.
It requires a human to moderate humans. And it requires a special kind of human to moderate opinionated fellow humans and yet let through a broad range of viewpoints in a manner worthy of the First Amendment. This is already a tough job even without having to deal with spam which somehow manage to squeeze through porous software sieves.
This wouldn't be an issue, of course, if TOP were a "Read Only"(!) blog like LL.
Long rant over, please pardon me.
Now we know what the cost has been, pre-CAPTCHA, of keeping TOP open and a readers' haven. But I think TOP readers knew this all along.
Here's an early breakout of TOP readers' reactions to the new CAPTCHA policy as of Sunday, April 14, 10:33 p.m. (Central Time).
Notes:
*'No Comment' comments were mostly suggestions on how to deal with spammers, or about alternative anti-spam apps.
**Multiple "and/or" answers were allowed. For example: a comment which has no objection to either CAPTCHA or registration was tallied under "Don't Mind at all" and "Would rather register". Hence, Total (26) > N (24).
Here's the source tally for the "Reaction to CAPTCHA" table.
The first 24 TOP readers whose opinions were tallied above weren't aware of one another's comments. They can almost be considered a random sample, except that the 24 are likely to be residents of a contiguous time zone (unless they are owls or larks). Although it's a smallish sample, I think the proportion of pro-CAPTCHA vis-a-vis pro-Registration comments will hold, while the share of 'No comment' will likely shrink.
Posted by: Sarge | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 12:13 PM
How the hell are you going to know where to get the best price on Viagra now?
Posted by: Dave in NM | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 12:19 PM
Mike, another vote for registration instead of Captcha. I have poor luck with Captchas, especially when reading and commenting from my phone (which is probably 90% of the time.)
But I will accept whatever you choose - TOP is worth it.
Dave
Posted by: David W. Scott | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 12:30 PM
I'd be interested to know how well the CAPTCHA actually works. I've heard that one of the ways of defeating them is to use people trying to access high volume download sites to break the CAPTCHA.
It's an arms race.
Posted by: Douglas Urner | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 12:49 PM
I don't think either registration or captcha are such a great nuisance, but I would prefer registration, and captcha for the non registered if technically possible.
Posted by: Roberto | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 01:16 PM
(SA)
Of course you do realize you're taking ten precious seconds per comment out of our busy lives. That's my concept of 'inconvenience': ten whole seconds irreversibly lost because of that infamous CAPTCHA! Expect a massive drop in the number of commenters.
TOP is doomed.
Posted by: Manuel | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 01:48 PM
I empathize with Mike. My day job is as a fraud analyst for an internet security company. Among my tasks is to monitor the inbox of several clients' fraud reporting email accounts (i.e. fraud@bobsbank.com). I see all kinds of weird. Mostly innocous, many times wuite funny (like the fine people who let us know they received a spam email, but don't send a copy or details. Just FYI, I guess).
As to what someone wrote above re: being angry at people who fall for spam, thus making it a viable business model, nowadays, the professional malicious email sends users to web sites for drive-by malware downloads, so no purchase of V1agra, or Cailis needed.
I describe my job thusly: I sit on the internet all day and click on things I know better than to.
Patrick
Posted by: Patrick Perez | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 02:09 PM
Anything which means you can spend more time writing great articles is fine by me. Although your recent (excellent) NEX 6 review has just cost me £1250...
Posted by: Dave Wilson | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 02:13 PM
I agree with Greg. I`m sure that most of your readers are pretty much the same from post to post.
If you've been surfing this blog for a while, you start to recognize some of the names.
I think people will be more than willing to fill a registration form, I know I will.
Posted by: Gaspar | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 02:16 PM
I recently wrote a post about spam comments. I got a spam comment claiming to complain about the problem of too many spam comments.
Like rats, there are moments when you admire their ingenuity.
Posted by: struan | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 02:36 PM
I see some websites that use a hybrid model. Captcha if your are not logged in to the site. No Captcha for registered folks that log in. I don't know if that's an option for you.
That said, someone earlier suggested enlisting some trusted human help on filtering real comments from spam. I'd be willing to devote some of my time to that. Not totally sure of the mechanics of how the e-mail would be forwarded to the volunteers, but say you sent me a block of 100 messages and said "send me back ASAP" all in that block that aren't spam. Might be a human error here or there, but just a thought on helping to keep TOP an exceptionally thoughtful and high quality site.
Posted by: MHMG | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 03:24 PM
Rusty blunt machetes...
Posted by: Guy | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 05:19 PM
I've used a technique called "Reverse CAPTCHA" quite effectively. Basically instead of "prove to me you are a person", it instead works on the principle of "prove to me you are NOT a robot". It does this by using certain hidden "dummy" form fields with enticing names like "email". A bot would automatically fill in those fields, but if it's hidden, then a human would not have seen it and therefore would not have filled it out. On the back-end you have a script that automatically discards any entries that have the dummy fields filled in.
Posted by: icexe | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 05:53 PM
Plus 1
for registration preferred over catchap!
Posted by: Hendrik | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 06:05 PM
Mmmm, Leicas?
A friend gave me a bottle opener with a chip in it that says, "Mmmm, beer" in Homer's voice when it's applied to a bottle cap. Unfortunately, it can't tell beer from soda.
Posted by: Stephen Gilbert | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 06:34 PM
Same thing is happening on my forums - brisk increase in spam past couple of weeks. Hard to keep up!
Posted by: Amin Sabet | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 07:17 PM
Mike,
I missed Manuel's satire alert. (sg)
And I singled out his comment as one of the outliers!
Just saying that he got me good.
Posted by: Sarge | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 07:48 PM
Captcha's ok if only I could make the W-erk.
Posted by: Bear. | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 08:35 PM
Right you are Mike. Did I tell you my sister is now making $7000 a month on the internet?
(Sorry I see this one all the time. I like to poke the nest with a stick for personal amusement.)
Posted by: MJFerron | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 09:02 PM
CAPTCHA works for me. Sometimes I have to ask for a second word set, but it's no much of a hassle ...
Posted by: Dave Kosiur | Monday, 15 April 2013 at 10:49 PM
Dear Mike,
“We apologise for the inconvenience.”
You are, of course, aware (and so is every faithful Douglas Adams aficionado) that this is precisely God's Final Message To His Creation, "written in fire in letters thirty feet high on the far side of the Quentulus Quazgar Mountains in the land of Sevorbeupstry on the planet of Preliumtarn, which orbits the star Zarss, which is located in the Grey Binding Fiefdoms of Saxaquine. The long path to the message is lined with souvenir stands at spaced-out intervals." (So Long, and Thanks For All the Fish)
The Kaptcha may just be Kosmik Karma; a computer-generated string of characters may even encapsulate the riddle of Life, the Universe, and Everything. It is in keeping with the general style of the Universe that the most fundamental truth of all may just serve as a one-off spam filter for TypePad.
Posted by: Chris Lucianu | Tuesday, 16 April 2013 at 04:35 AM
I'm 'agin' registering...I'm for keeping information about me that's floating around to a bare minimum, don't pay bills on-line, don't have investments constantly tracked on-line, etc. etc. I've even quit reading blogs that only allow you to comment if your on some sort of social media network, I'm never going to join Facebook. Perfectly happy filling out a Captcha, but have to agree with those on here that say they're getting harder to read, and sometimes take two tries or so to actually work. In addition, recently had to do one on a site to get a catalog mailed to me, and it wouldn't work with Mac Safari at all!
Posted by: Crabby Umbo | Tuesday, 16 April 2013 at 07:58 AM
You might consider moving to Wordpress, either self-hosted or via wordpress.com. The Wordpress anti-spam plugin is excellent and I suspect would eliminate your spam problem for practical purposes. (Of course you would still have to moderate non-spam comments.)
Migrating your blog to a new platform need not be difficult. Set up a new WP blog, then import your content from here or simply link to here from the new blog, then redirect theonlinephotographer.com to the new blog. Keep the old blog running in any case.
Posted by: Jonathan | Tuesday, 16 April 2013 at 09:34 AM
Please do not have me comment via captha. I would be more than happy to register.
Posted by: Gregory Clements | Tuesday, 16 April 2013 at 11:27 AM
I have a self-hosted WordPress blog and I use Akismet to capture spam. It seems to work very well. On the other hand, I don't get many comments and most of what shows up is spam -- so Akismet could just be flagging everything ;-)
-db-
Posted by: DavidB | Tuesday, 16 April 2013 at 05:15 PM
Dear Mike,
Add my vote for registration over (re)Captcha. Much more convenient!
pax / Ctein
Posted by: ctein | Tuesday, 16 April 2013 at 05:56 PM
Really hate Captcha, can hardly read the text. I'd rather register.
Posted by: Al Patterson | Tuesday, 16 April 2013 at 07:42 PM
I own and moderator a forum with about 70,000 members. I have implemented various antispam traps over the years, which have greatly reduced the number of spammers we used to get. But the last couple of days, we got hit by at least two of them, which is really strange. Either their scripts get smarter or ....
Posted by: John | Thursday, 18 April 2013 at 10:49 AM