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Sunday, 18 December 2011

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"...I've always considered it basically a digital replica of a camera designed to use film"...


Exactly. I loved the ergonomics, simplicity and viewing of my film Ms, and that's precisely why I also love the digital M. (Actually, I prefer its slightly wider body in my hands; now the film Ms seem too skinny.) But, I prefer the M8.2 over the M9, although either one allows me to use the lenses I bought a couple of decades ago.

I'm one of those who picked up an F100 for near nothing; still an absolute joy to use, with a viewfinder that doesn't resemble a 747 cockpit. If only a tad smaller, would never consider digital.

Mike,

Your comment on the D700/F100 is spot on.
As to used F100's I just bought a mint one off
of Craigslist for about 15% of what I bought my first one for. Now if the F6 would only come down to that level!!

" ... there's no denying the continuing strong appeal of Canon's top amateur model."

Or maybe Canon's most cost effective professional model. I've seen plenty of 5Ds (still today) and 5D Mk IIs at weddings.

Can't agree with more about the F100. Got a mint body in its original box for a song. As somebody who couldn't *dream* of buying the equivalent digital version, I certainly cannot complain!

I take it that the Sony NEX 7 will not make the list because you "are done with lens adapters" For the rest of us with Leica M lenses this is an interesting camera. The M 4/3 cameras didn't work with legacy lenses as we all know, but the NEX series seems to hold promise.

Good list and I pretty much agree on all of it.

But there is one thing that I continue to think is way off in the camera world - the need to classify cameras as entry, consumer, pro consumer or pro.

In your list you refer to the Canon 5D II as a amateur camera. It can be, or not. Really just depends on whom is using it.

Given the significant trend for smaller, lighter, and more capable "computers with lenses" I think it's time to drop the traditional classification. Most of the commercial pros I know use 5D II's. If we really a classification how about.

Sport, and serious outdoor nature photographer and other that need extreme weather sealing and shutter count. It seems like Canon and Nikon have already realized this split, and are bringing out new models to fit.

In the type of commercial photography that I do I don't shoot sports in any weather or get up at 4:00am in a driving rain to shoot a landscape.

So I don't need or want the extra weight, or size or per frame speed of the "pro" models. I even consider models like the Canon t2i or Nikon D7000 as useful tools to produce pro work. As crazy as it gets is even iPhones and goPro's have been used to produce major advertising work.

And now a pocket cam called the Sony NEX-7 is starting to burn a hole in my pocket and may be a early purchase in 2012. I just love that it can use just about any lens systems.

So, anyway, that's my last nit pick of 2011, I promise :)

Well maybe.

Happy new year!

Robert

The F100 mention reminds me of an article of yours archived over on Michael R's LL site. You wrote about the appeal of three 35mm cameras. The F100, The Nikon N (F) 80 and the Minolta Dynax 7. I happened to have a Sony 50 1.7 hanging around so on your ancient advice I recently picked up a Minolta 7 to attach it to. The 7 cost me a whopping $79. Not as well built as an F100 but just as fast with a clear bright viewfinder. Probably the best grip I've ever used on any camera. I'm surprised it was never more popular.

"I recently picked up a Minolta 7 to attach it to. The 7 cost me a whopping $79. Not as well built as an F100 but just as fast with a clear bright viewfinder. Probably the best grip I've ever used on any camera. I'm surprised it was never more popular."

MJFerron,
I think it just came out too late in the game--2000, wasn't it? The digital handwriting was on the wall by then.

Mike

"mirrorless 645-size medium-format digital camera"

Oh boy, just think of the lenses I could adapt to that!

I'm sure you're using amateur in it's original sense...

'French amateur "lover of", from Old French and ultimately from Latin amatorem nom. amator, "lover"' - (wikipedia)

The M 4/3 cameras didn't work with legacy lenses as we all know

What are you talking about?

"The M 4/3 cameras didn't work with legacy lenses as we all know, but the NEX series seems to hold promise.

Posted by: Doug C"

Really Doug? I just cut and pasted this from Flickr:

"Groups

Micro Four Thirds cameras using alternative & legacy lenses
1,930 members | 32,443 photos"

Just sayin'

#11 may be made of unobtainium for most but you can pick up a lightly used Aptus II-12 for $20,990 from optechsdidital.com.

Such a deal, less than half the price of a new IQ-180.

One of the most desirable things about the Canon 5D (Mk1 and MkII) is the availability of superb prime lenses - at budget prices - if you want to bring out the quality MIke speaks about. Everyone knows about the 50 mm f1.4, and even the 50mm craptastic f1.8. The 35mm f2 is pretty good, and the 85mm f1.8 is in my opinion astonishing. I'm sure the same applies to Nikkor lenses for the D700 - even more so when it comes to choice I suppose.

Full frame is not a golden mean of course - more of a historical accident - but there's something about it (and of course MF and so forth) that for me pinpoints the generic and rather boring qualities that you get from smaller sensors, no matter how much people try and extol the virtues of the new generation of lenses being produced for them.

Just my opinion of course

I have great faith in you, Mike ... And I love Nikon and Olympus ... but it seems the world has not discovered the Samsung NX200 with its own 30mm for some reason ...

    A miracle or judicious editing?
      As a habitual early adopter, frequent unthrilled consumer (a.k.a. hardware junkie) and a long time reader of TOP - Mike I am thrilled and amazed. Try to read more than six comments on most photo sites and the urge to headshake conflicts with the upchuck instinct. Forget English (they did) - the (lack of) thought processes, posing, know-it-all flaming, personal attacks - I gave up. Had always read TOP bi-weekly or so - increased frequency with the ipad - never noticed that there are no comments - instead there's erudite discussion, and intelligent commentary. How un-American! The commentary and discussion after your lustful objects columns was so good (15+ pages) that I printed it for easier portability :). Imagine - thoughtful, humorous, measured, often intelligent and polite discussion - on the web. What the hell is going on? Is it your editing, or insistance on more than four letter words? Is there a Harry Potter drawer at TOP where Mike tosses the flamers, that spews Tourette's-like insults when opened? Congratulations on the level of your readership - I'm proud to be one of them. TOPsters? TOPpers? PhoTOPeople? Too cutesy? Sorry I got carried away. GB

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