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Monday, 20 September 2010

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I'm trying to understand the viewfinder comment. Are you saying it's difficult to see for eyeglass wearers?

"Assuming the camera can hold its own with its competition (we haven't seen one yet), we'd hate for a too-high price to be the rogue wind blast that makes this home run shot fall a foot inside the park."

Really the only competetion that the K-5 would directly have would be the E-5. Prices are similar. Abilities are similar - weathersealing, resolution (well, almost), FPS, AF Speed, etc.

"Are you saying it's difficult to see for eyeglass wearers?"

Mark,
It's called "eye relief" and it's a measure of how far your eye can be from the eyepiece and still see the whole frame in the viewfinder. Generally, eyeglass wearers will want more eye relief because their glasses are physically interposed between the eyepiece and their eye. If you wear glasses I'd recommend looking for an eye relief specification of at least 18mm. Generally, 100% viewfinders have somewhat less eye relief than viewfinders with less coverage. Whether it's difficult for you to see or not depends on you. As far as I know Pentax does not publish the eye relief specification for the K-7 (or K-5).

Mike

I will have one of these before the end of October to replace my K20D, the raised ISO being the big win for me with the type of shooting I am enjoying most at the moment (portraits of friends at parties / pubs using available light). The slight bump in pixel count would not have been enough to get a nod over the K20D for nature / landscape work as the underrated Samsung sensor delivered beautiful images at ISO 400 or below.
It will be interesting to see how the extended ISO80 works, looking forward to experiment with this.
There are massive and somewhat heated debates online ref this and the Nikon D7000 but to me everybody is missing the point, this is aimed squarely at the D300s.
Pentax again should be applauded in keeping the same grip from the K-7 and as far as I can make out the same interchangeable focussing screen, a Katzeye will be on order as well for my Super Takumars :)
If Pentax can work their ISO magic (extended or otherwise) then this is firmly in the top echelon of the APS-C form factor cameras. The K-5, a few Limiteds (such as the DA15, DA21, FA31, FA43, FA50? or DA*55, FA77), and you have a cracking setup, small, light, unobtrusive, quick and nimble all waiting for the decisive moment :-)

$1600??? I already got the Canadian price from a Vancouver store: $1479!

So,
Now is the best time to start thinking buying a K7, most probably in four months time will be the sweet spot to do so.

In six months time, the outdated k7 will be at its best to be bought. From that moment on, it will still be found on bargain basement prices but most probably on phisical stores.

So time to wait a little bit more.
That is the pity of technology, actually. The most intelligent decission is to buy just-outdated technology.

This is the camera that tempts me, much more than the Fuji. It is almost identical in size and function to the Nikon 7000, and I wouldn't be surprised if it uses the same sensor. One big difference? You can pre-order the Nikon from Amazon for $1199. Given that, I can't believe that the $1600 price will hold on the Pentax. Even though I have a number of Nikon lenses, I also have three Pentax pancakes tucked away, waiting for the day...that's what really has me on the fence -- Nikon lenses are so *large.*

Another Pentax handicap is that it has almost no dealers in the US, so you have to order it, without having handled it.

I dunno. Maybe I just got GAS, and need to lie down and take a couple aspirins.

I wear eyeglasses and use a K-7. I've shot over 10,000 images wearing my glasses and have never had a problem composing a scene or seeing the complete command line through its beautiful bright view finder.

Inaki — really? That doesn't follow previous price curves very well. When the K20D was announced, the K10D immediately became scarce and the price even went up. I'm not going to make any predictions, but six months seems pretty uncertain.

PentaxForums has a post that lists the eye relief as Approx. 21.7mm (From the view window), Approx 24.5mm (From the center of Lens)

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-news-rumors/114977-pentax-k-5-officially-announced.html#ixzz107t0fgwg

I would be sorely tempted, except that I already have a K-7. Every now and then I think that maybe I should switch to Canikon - but Pentax is such a great hiking kit that I don't think I ever will.

Ok, stupid question, but of the lenses listed on the Pentax site (going through the link on this page, then Products>Lenses ) Which series have full autofocus and functionality? It's a bit confusing, and some of them even have thar olde-fashioned aperture rings...

$1600? Whoosh. I've been trying for a year or so now to justify the price of the K-7 to myself - my beloved ist*DS is starting to struggle - and here's a better version that would cost me twice as much? Ouch.

I guess it's back to waiting and counting pennies.

'In six months time, the outdated k7 will be at its best to be bought. From that moment on, it will still be found on bargain basement prices but most probably on phisical stores.'

Inaki

I can't see why the K7 should be discounted further. Even with the inevitable drop in the price of the K5 from its present RRP, there'll still be a c.40-50% difference between the cost of that and the K7 - plenty of incentive for those who don't need more than 1600 ISO, or shoot HD video, but want a top-spec'd, hugely rugged camera. My feeling is to the contrary: unless Pentax discontinue the K7, the newcomer, without a major fall in its list price (to, say, within $400 of its predecessor), is going to find its potential market significantly dented by the older camera (at its present price).

I am with MichaelinA2 here. I've -6 diopters in each eye so it is an issue for me. My K-7 has Katz Eye focusing screen (no markings, no optibrite) and Pentax original magnifying eye cap. It is perfectly fine, though with A 50/1.2 lens it becomes a bit strainful on my eyes after a prolonged use.

John Camp: The D7000 lacks one thing though: the body-integral SR. Think about it, good to excellent high ISO, fast primes AND a vibration reduction?
I'd say it's worth the difference. And isn't this a bit weathersealed also?

Hmmm a K-5 as my workhorse and an X100 as my DMD!!! Photokina is truly a lovely time.

Inaki

I wanted a K10D, and waited and waited until the price dropped into my reach, then those scheming rotters at Pentax announced the K20D. Two stops higher ISO! More pixels! Other stuff! I bought one!

I'm not complaining. The amount of times I've used the higher ISO alone justifies the slightly longer wait (until the camera had been out a while and the price dropped a bit) and the higher price.

The K5 sounds like a good'n, though...

Sounds sweet. A better k7, which is already a great camera. Can't afford to change every year though :)
Who cares about the competetion? You're buying a system, and none have a k7 or k5 body & the limited lenses to go with them. The Pentax system is unique.

This camera would be seriously tempting for me as my inevitable "bigger camera," with its weather-sealing and in-body IS, but for the lack of a good, bright normal zoom. Their 16-50 f/2.8 does not appear, based on published tests, to be anywhere near as sharp as the Canon equivalent. (The smaller-aperture zooms don't have any appeal for me, since I already have that capability on my current camera.)

This may now be the time for me to upgrade my istDs! That camera has served me well for the 5 years that I have used it.
Photogdave,which store quoted you $1479 in Vancouver?

The "cheap kit lens" does make sense in one way: it's a very useable WR combo. If you're going to rough it up, maybe the kit WR lens is an excelent low cost option.

"PentaxForums has a post that lists the eye relief as Approx. 21.7mm (From the view window), Approx 24.5mm (From the center of Lens)"

breischl,
No way.

Mike

@Mike - I don't know enough about viewfinders to infer the meaning of your "no way." Do you mean "those numbers are highly unlikely/impossible", or "those numbers are great"?

@Jim in Denver - all the lenses listed on the Pentax site have full autofocus and auto-aperture functionality. But there are plenty of manual lenses floating around used. Since you're a fellow Denverite I'd even let you borrow some. :)

Ben wrote:
> I still don't understand why their press pictures always insist
> on showing a pro body with a cheap kit lens though.

It is indeed puzzling, and is far from showing the camera at its best. Next time around, I suggest Pentax subcontract the product pictures to the guys at Popco: http://www.popco.net/zboard/view.php?id=just_arrived&no=128

That K-5 + DA40 combo is *so* sexy... And while you're there, check out the contrast AF test video.

@Mike - The Pentax.jp site lists the same eye relief numbers...

http://www.pentax.jp/english/news/2010/201019.html

To Jim in Denver who asked "of the lenses listed on the Pentax site (going through the link on this page, then Products>Lenses ) Which series have full autofocus and functionality?": there is an excellent table here which explains it all: http://www.mosphotos.com/PentaxLensCompatibility.html

There have been two autofocus systems - one with screw drive, one with in-lens motor (SDM). K100D Super and newer cameras support both.

The "A" series lenses are a great deal - they do everything except autofocus.

If you get an adapter, you can use lenses that are even older than M and K, such as M42.

"Ok, stupid question, but of the lenses listed on the Pentax site (going through the link on this page, then Products>Lenses ) Which series have full autofocus and functionality? It's a bit confusing, and some of them even have thar olde-fashioned aperture rings..."

All Pentax lenses currently being produced have full autofocus and functionality, as far as I know.

Eyeglasses use clarification -- The first time I've ever considered "eye relief" a K-7 buying decision issue came about from reading about it here on TOP. While I find it interesting, if it's something that should be crimping my style, it's not.

"Eyeglasses use clarification -- The first time I've ever considered "eye relief" a K-7 buying decision issue came about from reading about it here on TOP. While I find it interesting, if it's something that should be crimping my style, it's not."

MichaelinA2,
That's great (not being facetious--it's great), but my advice was simply that I think eyeglass wearers should try out the viewfinder and see for themselves. There's nothing wrong with the K-7/K-5 finder, it's just that viewfinders are a personal thing, that's all.

Mike

When the K20D was introduced, the K10D had indeed all but sold out. Shortly afterwards, Pentax had to offer customers K20D as a replacement for K10D which they couldn't repair for some reason while they were still under warranty.

All this completely changed with the K20D. There were shiploads of them still around when the K-7 was introduced. One particular German dealer had them on sale for 649 Euros, before the first small shipment of K-7 ever became available, over here.

Those who still wanted a K20D bought them then and there, and today all German Pentax Premium Dealers are still trying to sell their stocks of K20D without making too much of a loss. New K20D will probably be available for years to come.

This has led to the grotesque situation that some German Premium Dealers still have ample supplies of K20D but only one or two K-7 or none at all and they will only get them on a firm order from a customer.

They have burnt their fingers once and they won't be fooled again, this time.

So, expect that Pentax will have plenty of K-7 in stock for quite some time. Definitely more than 6 months.

I own Pentax and the one thing that solidly impresses me about this company is the 1st class quality care they have consistently given me...!

Everything is beyond the comfort level... I just look forward to interating with technicians and management and their extension into my photographic life.

That, is what brings me back to Pentax...The Gold Experience as I call it. Sure Pentax may not have been in outer space, but they never 'Paid' for the experience like other companies have.

Their politics seems to be very clear and I look forward to purchasing more Pentax fum for me and my family.

Thank you Pentax!

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