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can't trust rumors???

E-pl1 out will all specs and price 4/3rumors.com via engadget

Is anyone rumoring about whether the Nikon will have a full frame sensor and video? If it did, and the rumors that I'm flat broke are false, I'll buy one!

Wow. A digital M-mount rangefinder from Nikon? Even if it had a DX sensor, it would still be a fascinating little camera. That's one heckuva surprise!

Well, I totally believe that last rumor! Of course it will waterproof, and be called the E-P ½ The only technical disadvantage is that when dunked in cold water it turns into a cute, but manual focus rangefinder.

Small correction, Mike. PMA will be the next major photo GEAR show.

The next big photo show in the U.S. would probably be the AIPAD show next month in NY.

The Olympus rumor that I've heard/seen is a smaller, cheaper m4/3 camera, something more for the masses. IMO the best way to make a "pro" m4/3 camera is to release "pro" lenses, or at least more along the lines of the Panasonic 20/1.7 lens. Though a tougher, perhaps weather-sealed body would be appropriate.

Mike, you are having way too much fun!

I like the Nikon M rangefinder rumour best......

I hear that Taylor Hobson are getting in on the 5x4 plate pro-sports market with a 10 frames-per-hour speedback.

You can see Olympus' teaser ad here, with a glimpse of the top edge of the new camera:

http://olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_digital.asp

Note that a) it looks slightly more than palm size; b) it has a shoe; and c) it's on the digicam page, not the SLR/Pen page. So I'm guessing fixed lens. Retro styling. Question is how big is the sensor? And is there a viewfinder?

I heard a rumour that this year's rumours were even more inaccurate than last year's.

Sorry, but I can't divulge my source.

The new little Olympus EP-L1 looks great. Small, light, simple....but no control wheel(s) :(

The Nikon rumor has indeed a long life. It showed up first in May 2008:
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59279

Oops. Heavywinds is right, the new Oly is leaked! I am pleasantly surprised--it's a Pen (E-P1L): m4/3 EVIL, built-in flash, stabilized, accessory port (for EVF, microphones) and cheaper.

http://gizmodo.com/5462364/olympus-pen-e+pl1-thankfully-includes-inbuilt-flash-and-200-cheaper-price-point

Could you clarify what you mean by "M Mount"? Some are interpreting this as Leica M mount, but Thom Hogan has referred to an M or MX "mirrorless" mount that would be paired with a smaller-than-M/43 sensor.

I have solid information that the next Olympus m4/3 body will include five new filters: Fine Art, Magazine, Press, Wedding, and Espionage. Finally, there will be a Pro camera for everyone.

Nikon digital M-mount rangefinder. So would the lenses focus in the leica-canon direction or the nikon-zeiss-pentax direction ?

I'd actually buy one , especially if it had live view, which means it would never happen.

M-mount DX ????!

Lawrence,
"M mount" means the standard Leica bayonet mount found on Leica rangefinders since 1953. No revisionist, obfuscatory terms here, if you please. M mount means M mount.

(But it's just a rumor, remember.)

Mike

Mike,

until you mentioned the Nikon rangefinder it was not even a possibility, let alone a rumour!

Pity I still prefer film... but what a wonderful way to test whether Leica's rangefinder's need updating their focusing system: if someone else makes a rangefinder that sells well people are obviously happy with the darn thing without obvious commercial need to update.

Your sense of humor does make the whole site a pleasure to read... always.
Thanks for the fine moments at the end of long day.

(By the way, have you heard the rumor that "The Online Photographer" will be declared The Best Photography Blog on the Net" during the PMA 2010?)

OMG, this is so funny. Now people are pointing to this post as confirming of the Nikon Digital M rumor, which it is, but totally miss the byline "You can't trust a rumor." Someone went as far as saying "If the rumor is true, he will have 2 Leica M9s to sell.." That's somehow assuming a) the rumor is true, and b) that it's better by some measure, than the Leica M9.

Mike, see what happens when you become a trusted source on the Interweb?!!

Matthew, don't forget the special filter for Internet Pornography; that's what truly rounds out a "pro" camera.

That would mean potentially opening a body to non-nikon lenses (i.e., Leica, Voigtlander, zeiss?); very un-nikon like, at least since the 1950's.
Would like to see it though (exspecially if it had some analog dials/controls...and if i could afford it).

Mike, Nikon rumor is the best, just imagine that. With fantastic price - compared to Leica M9 - it could be first fresh rangefinder camera after Epson Rd1...
but it's just a rumor ...

nikon -Please please please.

I heard someone has bought the rights to the Rollieflex and will be showing a fully manual digital version with a MF sensor.

The M mount rumor is preposterous.

Why would Nikon want to offer support to a market for lenses other than their own proprietary mount? And why would they want to enter the comparatively nichey rangefinder market?

It would amount to a giant bonanza for Leica (and to a lesser extent, Zeiss and Voigtlander), and a big money-loser for Nikon.

"The M mount rumor is preposterous"

Hey, tell that to the guy who started the rumor.

Mike

I'm dumping all my Leica bodies before the release of the new Nikon M-mount camera I've heard so much about! It's the only rational thing to do!

"I heard someone has bought the rights to the Rollieflex and will be showing a fully manual digital version with a MF sensor."

A digital TLR. I actually would like that. This is a joke i assume.....

All this talk about Rumours...think I'll pull out my Fleetwood Mac* album tonight.


*not an Apple product rumor

You know I was feeling a little depressed today. But I got a lot of chuckles out of a lot of these comments. Made me feel better. Thanks for that.

Mike

re: Luc Novovitch.
Actually, the Nikon digital rangefinder rumor is even older than that:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1021&thread=24836605

(and when I googled it, I found out the online photographer previously linked to this one, too!)

I'd suggest everyone take the Nikon rumor with a giant block of salt considering it's at least 2.5 years old.

I'm still waiting for the day Nikon shoves a full-frame sensor into the body of an FM2 or FM3A camera. One dial for ISO, one wheel for Aperture, and one more dial for shutter speed. Small, built like a tank, and simple.

Olympus E-PL1 is real now, smaller and lighter than E-P1 and also has a pop up flash. It is not for pros tho, but it is great for compact user who want more quality and versatility.

Is the rumor of the demise of the (big) 4/3 format true or just somewhat exaggerated?
bd

Rumor has it that Ken Rockwell is abandoning both digital and film now that he discovered stone chiseling.

Who knew that the old F2 really can be used as a hammer?

Can I say that, other than Cosina and Leica, Nikon is the only other camera producer making 35mm rangefinder camera in 21st century? (Fuji is another one but Xpan was discontinued.) In fact, Nikon went all the way to study how can their "ancestor" make those camera and train their camera guys to make these S3-2000 and SP-2005.

I bet if Nikon has to make an old Mount, they would make Nikon-S mount and get the lens revenue, rather than Leica Mount one.

I got my email from Olympus this morning. Trying to figure what is missing (compared to EP-2) and whether the evf will be second rate compared to one for EP-2. I will seriously have to consider this as my second mu43 body because of price.

Mike - with your great influence and the power of this web site do you think the TOP community could bring the Nikon rumour to reality? should we have a letter writing campaign or plan to join hands around Nikon HQ until they release the camera we all want - I would love to see this!

"Mike - with your great influence and the power of this web site do you think the TOP community could bring the Nikon rumour to reality?"

No, I don't! Any power I am alleged to have is...greatly exaggerated.

Mike

"Who knew that the old F2 really can be used as a hammer?"
They were pretty good hammers when they were new!

having just coughed up for an m8, the nikon rumour is bound to be true...

Ah, the poor Nikonian masses, of which I am admittedly one. We've had so very little to be excited about in such a very looooonnngggggggggggggggggg time.

Throw us a bone Nikon, dammit.

"Rumor has it that Ken Rockwell is abandoning both digital and film now that he discovered stone chiseling."

It is rumored that Canon is coming out with a special version of his favorite camera (right now), the S90 Rockwell Edition.

It has one setting (program) only shoots jpegs, and only in super-saturated color.

"The M mount rumor is preposterous.
Why would Nikon want to offer support to a market for lenses other than their own proprietary mount? ...
It would amount to a giant bonanza for Leica (and to a lesser extent, Zeiss and Voigtlander), and a big money-loser for Nikon."

Of course, there are not now, and there have never been, any third-party lenses for the F mount. No Zeiss ZF, no Voigtländer, no Sigma, no Tamron, no Tokina, no Vivitar, no Kiron...

My ZF Distagon must surely hail from some parallel universe.

No more Rockwell-bashing, folks. Not a sport that is encouraged around here.

Mike

An APS-C Nikon M-mount rangefinder? Now that would be something.

But I have a hard time believing Nikon would make a camera I would want to purchase.

About the wish (and unluckily even not a rumour) on Rolleiflex "Twin Mirror" thing, this kind of concept is not that far off if one looks at the Sony M1 attempt. The key is whether you want to hold the camera at arms length but not in front of you and instead in front of your belly. With a built in hood (and live view on a 3" LCD) this can be done. Well, they have done it with a size of key ring (and charge a lot for that Rolleiflex MiniDigi AF5.0). But it can be for real (at least APS-C size) and if the lens is good (and interchangable), it might have a chance.

Are you sure you don't mean the Sony DSC-R1 , not the M1?
The R1 is just about perfect for waist level work with one of the best lenses ever. It is a little slow however and suffers from an awkward grip.

The two latrts Sony aps-c cameras work prety well in live view mode as waist level cameras once you figure out a way to hold them.

I keep talking to the guy at megaview about building a back for a Rolie or Mamyia TLR. One of these days maybe...

Nikon did make that lovely revival SP in 2005. Wouldn't that be a nice starting point for a full frame digital rangefinder camera? It wouldn't look any more retro than an M9.
And furthermore...
I too would love to see a digital back for my old 2.8F. I understand the concern that a digital back would push the camera forward but my Rollei is already about six inches out of plumb from where it was when I first got it.
I blame Sam Amato's home made sausage for that situation.

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