JPEG...Seriously?

By Ctein

So, I've got a question for all you serious photographers out there (which doesn't mean professionals exclusively, but it does mean more than shooters of casual snapshots or tourist pix*). Do any of you use JPEG in preference to raw, and, if so, when, why, and how much?

What's behind my question is that I'm in the midst of testing the new Fujifilm Finepix S100FS camera for review, and naturally I'm doing everything in raw. There are a couple of reasons for that. First is that I do all my serious work in raw; I can't imagine doing it any other way. Second is that it's easy to find online reviews that talk about JPEG quality, but hardly ever do they go into raw quality in much detail. Third, I have trouble imagining that the folks I'm writing for, not the casual amateur or neophyte, don't use raw except for casual, unimportant stuff.

Why would I want to give up all this beautiful raw quality for the limited exposure range and camera-introduced artifacts of a JPEG? You tell me.

For me, reviews that don't emphasize raw when talking about image quality lack a great deal of relevance.  It would be kind of like reading a professional film test where all the film was processed and printed at the local Target or Walgreens one-hour lab. Yes, that is useful information, especially if on occasion you're relying on such operations for your printing. (And who among us hasn't? Unless you're a total nutter like me, when you come back from your family vacation with two dozen rolls of 35mm film the first thing that comes to your mind is not spending the next several months in the darkroom processing, proofing, and custom-printing all those negatives. You just want your vacation snaps with as little hassle as possible.)

There's no question that if you're going to be taking a zillion photographs and you're cramped for storage JPEG is a much better choice than raw. And if you need to make a torrent of exposures, bingbingbingbingbing, most cameras can sustain a high exposure rate a lot better in JPEG mode than raw. Still, for me these are situations where I would be forced to use JPEG by externalities, sacrificing a certain amount of image quality. Necessity, yes; preference, never.

But that's me. I don't write just for me, I write for the serious photographer. An awful lot of you folks reading this column are my target audience. So I'd like to hear what you think and what you do.

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Ctein

*Those of you who are still (maybe always) rank amateurs and dilettantes, whether by happenstance or intent, I mean you no disrespect. I think making photographs for any reason whatsoever is a fine and dandy thing. It's only that you're not the folks I write for, primarily. No hard feelings nor disrespect intended, okay?

Comments

[stephen connor]

RAW. Whether or not my photos are any better for it at the moment is beside the point. A person would have to be...um....crazy to give up the possibilities digital photography gives with RAW.

And, I totally agree with your comments on reviews that only talk about a camera's JPEG performance. That may be fine for a cheap point-and-shoot, but, when it's a review of some expensive, meant-for-serious-photographers camera? Useless. I've written to a couple of such sites in the past, trying to make just that point.

[Barb]

I use raw for all my images. I can't imagine using anything else for serious images. In fact, I use raw for even less than serious images. But then, you never know when that casually snapped pic grabbed at an odd moment turns into the best thing you've done all day.

[Mike J.]

I'm with Barb. I've shot raw exclusively since I first read Bruce Fraser's book, recommended by Michael Reichmann.

Mike J.

[Bron Janulis]

Studio shots of work completed, or prior to starting, tripod, and fussed lighting, raw, but my other camera only shoots jpeg. More and more, I use the little P&S camera, as it hides me. But, more and more, good technique is the least important attribute of a good image. The big camera, mostly raw, but fast and street, or documentary, jpeg is great.

If I need to use Photoshop, raw, otherwise, jpeg, iPhoto, and fuss not.

Bron

[John Gillooly]

I am a professional photographer in Boston. I shoot probably 80% jpg. I shoot lots of events (1000 images in a night) and lots of general marketing and pr type photography for corporate, medical and educational institutions. I would shoot all of the above as jpgs.

If I am shooting advertising stuff or anything where I deem the level of output will actually be able to realize the benefit of a raw file, then I shoot raw. The more important portraits or images I know will run on high quality stock will be shot raw. Also, anything that I see as a subject matter where large prints could be valuable I shoot raw. Obviously not for any pixel count advantage, but for the cleaner, crisper file with more latitude in every direction.

From a properly exposed image, I would doubt even a somewhat educated viewer would see any differences between the output from a raw vs. jpg file. This assumes two properly exposed files and basic adjustments only.

Have you done any comparisons like this? We read the math differences. We see the latitude advantages for salvaging an imperfect exposure. We see the advantages of raw when a great amount of post-processing will be done. But if the final output is very close to the original, proper exposure, how big is the difference??

John Gillooly
Boston

[Matt Mills]

It's funny, I do all of my personal work (including everything that goes on my blog) in RAW. I've never shot anything but raw except by accident. Color control, added luminance data, we've all heard the benefits, and they're all true, IMO.

Then, just recently, I got a job photographing court documents. The camera they specified? Any point and shoot with a tilt screen. The files? 2500X2000 B&W jpegs, the smallest size that is still legible.

So yes, I do use jpeg, even to make money. It's not art (or Art), but having ready files pop out of the camera is important when there are 5000 of them that all need to be converted to pdf and burned to a dvd yesterday.

The caveat being of course that for those 5000 I don't care about anything but legibility. So long as noise is small enough at ISO 200, pretty much anything out there today will work. So I don't need to hear about it in a review. Come to think of it, I only read camera reviews for entertainment these days. It's fun to read about other peoples' gear, but I like what I've got.

[bobdales]

What are you trying to do?
I take urban shots, Mardi Gras in New Orleans eg, in JPEG "sports mode"... hit the button and blast away because the action is fast. The rest are mainly contemplative landscapes in raw (and bracketed) and 90% on a tripod.
JPEG is a necessity not a choice.

[Blake Sobiloff]

John Gillooly nails it: Properly exposed, it is extremely difficult to discern between RAW and JPEG images. You get as much or more variation in RAW processing between Photoshop, Nikon/Cannon's software, and other publishers' RAW software. Plus, there are many people who don't have the time to futz endlessly in Photoshop and who don't want the time penalty that RAW adds to the workflow. Pixel peepers love to be preoccupied with inconsequential differences. More power to 'em if that's what they enjoy! Me? I'd rather be out there taking more great photos.

[Josh M]

For professional work, in my case weddings, I use RAW exclusively.

For personal photography, it depends on the situation. If it is just happy snaps, then it'll generally be JPEG, as I won't spend any time processing after the fact. (Sometimes even lower-resolution JPEG - gasp.) Also, in non-challenging conditions, such as when a P+S would generally suffice, JPEG provides enough manipulability anyway. For landscapes, concerts, etc, it's back to using RAW.

However, everything goes into Lightroom, JPEG or RAW, and then I have the same tools available for both. There's no need to draw a distinction after the fact.

To get back to your original thought, camera reviews should be focusing on RAW image quality. And although the tide seems to be turning a little, the emphasis on resolution and noise levels is absurd. I would appreciate more time spend on dynamic range, which is much more of an issue for real-world prints.

[Oren Grad]

Raw only. The dynamic range limitations of raw files from even the best of today's digital cameras are frustrating enough. JPEGs are even worse in that respect, and less robust to post-processing to boot. I'd be happy to see manufacturers leave out JPEG entirely and spend their engineering effort and firmware capacity on improving the quality of their raw files.

[Nigel Robinson]

Hi Ctein,

I might be out of your target group, although my friends think I take photography too seriously, if that counts. Since I went digital, I shoot RAW most of the time. The exception is outdoor sports for my touch rugby club. The last time I shot for them, I knew the final output would only be for the web, so jpeg seemed a fair choice. The team shots were done in RAW, though. FIrst time I ever blistered my index finger from shooting, too.

[Fazal Majid]

I have been shooting RAW almost exclusively since 2001. I don't think small-sensor cameras actually have enough dynamic range in their tiny cramped little pixels for RAW to make any difference, however.

Unless you are using a DP-1, there should be no real difference in a compact camera, apart from the ability to change white balance settings without inducing posterization.

[Dave]

I'm kind of in a niche as I shoot mostly dance and theater images, where the camera is usually at 3200 or 6400 ISO and then underexposed a bit. Under stage lighting, finding the right color balance is a challenge.

I need every bit of exposure latitude, color correction and noise reduction a RAW file provides. There is no way I could get good results with out of camera JPGs.

I agree with John above, if the image is properly exposed (and I would add in 'normal' ISO ranges: 100-400), you'd have trouble telling the RAW from the JPG. When I take portraits, I suppose JPG would be fine, but never for the stage.

[Edward Taylor]

I shoot 100% RAW and would not consider buying a camera that didn't shoot RAW. Sometimes the difference from a JPG is small, But often it is HUGE. I never know when I am going to snap a masterpiece (maybe only to my eyes)and I would hate to have that great shot and be limited by a JPG file. Also, if that great shot is either over or underexposed a bit, I rally appreciate the latitude and cleanness of RAW.

[Jaakko]

Raw only since 2003. 'Proper exposure' can be redone miles better if client or anyone would need something different in terms of white balance and colors.

For me raw adjustments are natural and important steps in workflow. Tossing off a few bits and letting the camera software freeze my 'film development', no thank you!

[Joel]

I use raw exclusively, because my Pentax puts the JPEG in it anyway. If I want all the jpegs, I just run a little script that extracts them all. I suspect most cameras do the same, so why ever shoot JPEG in-camera?

Well, Mr Gillooly makes a point. Here in San Francisco, it's not uncommon for wedding photographers to shoot JPEG. A friend picked a photographer based on the work, and then discovered there would be no raw files - if raw was required, my friend would have to provide larger memory cards!

These wedding shooters are the only folks I've encountered or heard of who shot JPEG in the class of photographer you describe.

[Mike]

I have a better question: Have any of the previous posters shot transparencies or been behind a camera for more than 2 or 3 years? No, I'm serious. I can remember throwing away dozens of Kodachrome slides in the seventies because they came out crap. There was no crying to mama about Raw this or Raw that. The shot worked or it didn't.

I shoot Raw+Jpeg. I prefer the Jpeg version though. It reminds me of slides. The colours look better. Remember that the people who are important in photography (gallery owners, curators, etc) are not photographers. They don't care what format your camera shoots in. They want to see the print, and they won't be using Photoshop at 100%. Rarely do I see a difference worth noticing between Raw or Jpeg when printed. I limit myself to slight adjustments such as Levels and maybe sharpening. If I need B&W I dig out my F90x and shoot Tri-X. You guys should try it sometime.....oh, I forgot, it's harder to fix mistakes and you can't convert it back to colour if you don't like it. So sad.

[Awake]

RAW for virtually everything.

Just a couple of years ago there was good reason to use JPEG over RAW for many situations, but the reasons are all gone. Basically just a couple of years ago there were no good RAW processors that provided a decent workflow, and the embedded JPEG files in the RAW files were all but unusable, so you couldn't use them as a photo-proxy. Now if you need speed, you can use Photo Mechanic and extract the embedded JPEGs and use them for quickie review and display, and if you need quality you can use one of several excellent workflow oriented RAW processors.

Basically if someone recommends using JPEG, they are probably not very knowledgeable about the tools that are now available to process RAW, and how those tools have virtually eliminated all 'excuses' for shooting JPEG.

[HT]

how many times does this RAW Vs JPG argument have to be regurgitated??? same old boring justifications from both sides....

my dad's bigger than your dad!

[Markus Puustinen]

I know many serious pro photographers who sell and exhibit a lot of their work shot only with jpg. I think raw is highly over appreciated and most of the amateurs would be better of using jpg and concentrating on what’s in the picture rather than file format. Your example picture could have been made by any point & shoot jpg camera or even a cell phone camera.

[michael]

I have my dSLR set to record both a raw, and SHQ JPEG.

That way I have an exhibition quality "negative", and a file I can use right away for the web.

I always carry a Fuji F10, even to the mailbox, and it records JPEG only. Its quality rivals a SLR, and it goes to ISO 1600.

With my SLRs, an Oly 300 and a Lumix L1, I carry 4 gigs of memory.

BTW, what's with all caps when writing raw? Raw is not an acronym; it's a state (right next to New York).

At my wife's NYE party, her employer hired an event photographer, and he shot everything in SHQ. Time constraints, and raw quality was overkill for the circumstance.

[David Vatovec]

100% RAW for all of my photography (serious and non-serius snaps).
Can`t believe that professionals are shooting weddings in jpegs, since I shoot them in RAW because of highlits burning in jpegs are horrible. RAW gives You also the creative freedom of choosing the WB after the exposure. Given the fast pace of a wedding can/t believe anyone nails the WB right in all the lighting situations a wedding provides.
I once heard that shooting jpegs is like shooting film, take the negative to a local lab, pick up the prints and throw the negatives away, why would a serious photographer do that?
The memory cards are cheaper by the hour ...
And with software like Lightroom the managing of RAW files is very fast.

[Ctein]

Dear John,

Thanks for your helpful information. I infer from your remarks that it's the sheer volume of work and the rapidity with which you have to photograph that make JPEG distinctly preferable to RAW?

In the limited comparisons that I've done (and in most of the reviews I've read) RAW mode captures about two stops more luminance range than JPEG mode. This seems to be fairly consistent across cameras. I think the really high end ones do even better than that, but I haven't gotten to play with any of them.

It's not a post-processing thing. RAW images, even run through default processing, hands-off, convey a substantially longer subject luminance range; the difference is neither trivial nor invisible. That is true for proper and correct original exposures.

~ pax \ Ctein
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[Ctein]

Dear Blake,

Not so. A two stop difference in subject luminance range is pretty readily visible to most people and doesn't require the least bit of pixel peeping. Except for the larger volume of bits being processed, RAW processing doesn't consume any undue access time.

Keep in mind that your JPEG camera has a built-in RAW converter. The sensor does not capture JPEG's, it captures RAW information and converts it internally. It manages to do that tolerably well with no muss and fuss. Why do you believe external programs can't do the same thing?

This business about different RAW converters producing different results is a complete red herring. It has no import except, indeed, to the pixel peepers. There is no "correct" interpretation of sensor data, and even if there were I can assure you that the conversion built into your camera does not provide it.

~ pax \ Ctein
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[Ctein]

Dear Fazal,

That's incorrect. Many small-sensor cameras capture a decently long luminance range and, in cameras that provide RAW mode as well as JPEG mode, regardless of the sensor size RAW mode typically produces two stops more capture range.

As for the absolute range, my Fuji Finepix S6000fd has a six megapixel sensor that is 22% of the linear size of a 35mm frame. It captures nearly 8 stops in RAW mode. The S100fs I'm currently testing crams 11 megapixels into a sensor that is only slightly larger-- 25% of 35 mm size. It manages to capture a full nine stops in RAW mode, although the pixels are substantially smaller and the total sensor size isn't anywhere close to "professional."

Anybody who tells you that small-sensor cameras cannot produce good results is ignorant of their capabilities. Bigger is unquestionably better, but that does not make small bad.

~ pax \ Ctein
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[Peter F]

I shoot jpeg for the present and RAW for the future. I always shoot in RAW+JPG mode. 99% of my post processing is on the jpegs because it's easier and faster and frankly, after a lot of playing with it, I can rarely tell the difference. However, I always have the RAWs around for the rare cases where I can save a highlight. And I keep them around because I have this dream that one day a wonderful RAW processor will arrive that I can just point at a directory and it will auto-magically turn all the RAWs into images with a subtle perfection that would take ages of fine tuning per frame today. Call me a dreamer.

[Andreas Manessinger]

14 bit losslessly compressed RAW + Fine JPEG Large.

I mostly shoot for my blog, which means I intend to make art. I had no necessity to shoot JPEG only so far. I don't do any action-type photography, thus I don't need longest high-speed series (I even accept that my D300 gets slowed down to 2.5 images per second by 14 bit mode), and I don't do 1000 images a day (or 4000 as wedding photographer David Ziser). My mileage is more like 15000 a year.

I use Photoshop a lot, and I do much of my photography under less than ideal conditions. See this recent post on my blog ( http://blog.andreas-manessinger.info/2008/06/607-let-there-be-more-light.html ), there is no way I could do that with a JPEG.

Shooting this way, I amass something between 350, maybe 400 GB image data per year, plus around 200 GB of unflattened 16 bit Photoshop files. That's much, yes, but only by yesterday's standards. These days we definitely have crossed the line from where disc storage grows faster than the demands of photography. Well, OK, not if you shoot 39 megapixels, but for my D300 this is absolutely true, and it can't be much off even for a 1DsIII.

Last February I have exchanged hard drives in my two computers. I have kept the 500 GB internals and the 500 GB external that I use for transport, but the internal 300 GB discs had to make way for 1 TB each. Since then prices have fallen, you get 1 TB for below 150 Euros now, American prices are normally way lower for taxes and ... hmm ... imperialism :) For the same money I'll get 2TB next year, when my demand has outgrown storage capacity. Then I'll exchange the 500 GB discs. You get it.

So far, disc capacities double per year, my demand never will. At least as long as I don't do RAW video :)

[Richard Eldred]

I shoot both to card, but oddly enough, the JPEG is what I do most of my work with. I go with JPEG mostly because my work only ever ends up online in a resolution perhaps only a quarter of the original RAW, and I strive to get everything done in camera out in the field. I detest post-processing images on a computer, and would like to keep the time I spend in photoshop/GIMP as close to zero as I can. Minute curves work, and a smattering of sharpening, that's it.

I'm not entirely brain-dead though, I archive all of my RAW's. And for the heavy post processing work I do punish myself with, it rules supreme over JPEG.

JPEG is really only for the convenience, serious image work will always be the realm of RAW.

[AU]

In the real world time is often scarce, and quality is defined in two categories, "good enough" and "not good enough", jpeg is king. Beeing able to publish/mail/use images straight from the camera without any processing, get results good enough, and move on to the next job is often essential in my world. Thats why I save all pictures in both jpeg and raw. I use jpeg if good enough. If not, raw files gives me good latitude for correction to save the day. Or if by accident I get a superb picture worthy of more work and perhaps big size printing.

[Blinder]

I've used RAW since about '02 - use it for anything inc casual shots. When I saw what RAW was capable of, after having been professionally misled for a year regarding jpegs, I trust myself and my eyes now - not the camera.
The only time I use jpeg is if I want an animated sequence of shots - in which I would shoot maybe 5000 images to do the animation. Makes sense at that point but now that I have a HD video camera with frame by frame capability I won't ever touch jpeg again!
And for me there is also a central issue in not using a pocket digicam with RAW capability - they are far TOO hampered. I've tried a few and they're just too restrictive!

[Grega]

I am one of those folks John Gillooly talks about. With a properly made photo that has reasonable dynamic range, I can't tell a difference between a jpeg and what I can squeeze out of a RAW file. That might just mean that I lack RAW skills.

I always shoot RAW + jpeg fine. I end up using RAW files in roughly 20% of the pictures, but that can rise considerably in some situations.

I've only done a handfull of weddings for my friends, so I am no expert on that field, but I would never in my right mind be bold enough to shoot jpegs only. White dress, black tux, jpeg that!

[Martin Joergensen]

Both!

I always shoot both raw and high quality jpg. The jpg's are used for assessing the images, creating online-versions and all the quick&dirty jobs. When I land a cover or a feature in a magazine (mostly based on a review of the jpg's online) I dig out the raw's and fine tune the few images that need extra attention.

Very few people can see the difference in the end, but I like to have the "digital negative" in case I want to really work with an image.

BTW: jpg's in a decent quality can often be extracted from the raws (on Nikon at least), but I prefer the convenience of having both straight out of the camera.

Martin

[Alan Little]

I'm not a professional, but like to regard myself as a somewhat serious amateur.

I usually shoot raw, with two exceptions:

(1) Weddings or similar situations where I know I'm going to need to edit large numbers of pictures in a hurry. I know in principle I could learn something like Lightroom (or Aperture or Bibble) that's geared towards fast efficient raw workflows; but I can't see when I could put the time & effort in to learn these tools right now, and meanwhile I'm still in the Dark Ages of editing raw files one by one in Adobe Camera Raw.

(2) My cute little new street / walking around camera, an Olympus E410. On this I shoot jpeg+raw, because my Dark Ages version of Adobe Camera Raw doesn't understand E410 raw files and Olympus' own software is clunky and painful to use. I like to have the raw files as a backup though, just in case by some mishap I find myself with a real picture on my hands.

[Carsten]

Totally agreed! It is beyond me why anyone bothers testing (or using) JPG at all. To be sure, there are a few use cases, like journalists who have to send back images ASAP over low-quality lines, but for the vast majority of scenarios, there is in my mind only one reason to use JPG: laziness.

In my particular case, I have an extra reason not to use JPG: I use the Leica M8, which has a horrible JPG implementation, but great RAW output. I have not yet seen a decent test of the M8 which bases its image quality judgement on RAW, except dpreview.com's, which shows both.

[Bülent Celasun]

These are plain facts. I just don't understand why it is rare to find people declaring them. The large majority of "consumers" are jpeg shooters by design of their cameras; and, we don't want to make them unhappy. Do we?

[Robin P]

Using jpg only and not shooting raw is like having a camera that just pops out 6x4" prints.
Shooting raw is like getting a strip of negs - in a few year's time you might have the skills and technique to make better prints from them. If you only shoot jpg and want a bigger better print in the future you're limited to the equivalent of scanning that 6x4".

On the subject of the Finepix S100FS, I'll admit it looks a tempting proposition until you look at the price and consider that for the same amount you could get a barely larger SLR with the option of a pancake lens when you want to travel light.

Cheers, Robin

[Puplet]

I shoot JPEG with my always-with-me digicam - does that count? Have been exclusively shooting dSLR RAW only since last year, simply because I lacked hard-drive space and processing power. RAW is deceptively expensive business if you think about it: storage, RAW processing software, computer with enough power to not take forever doing it, extra RAM to make that computer really chug along, monitor calibrator because, if you can change the colour easily you will...

[Kobi Eshun]

RAW when using a sensor that captures with better than 8-bit resolution.

The trouble with shooting RAW is that the best conversion software is (in my experience) the most awkward to use. I started exclusively shooting RAW in 2002 when I discovered that my Canon D30 (no, that's not a typo) would pick the wrong white balance about 5-10% of the time -- particularly when shooting in available light from mixed sources. Having the raw data to fall back on was a godsend. But RAW workflow has always been a chore for me. Until it was upgraded to version 2, I had a miserable time getting Aperture to pull decent pictures out of raw captures of dimly-lit scenes. Canon's editing software produces consistently excellent results but, despite a steady improvement over several versions, the user interface is abysmal. I often achieve better results converting with CS2 and LightRoom than with (pre 2.x) Aperture, but still not as good as with Canon's software. So, the cost of shooting RAW is high, but definitely worth the results in this case.

I don't think the cost is justified for P&S cameras with small sensors, though. I opted for a Lumix LX2 over a Canon G7 based on RAW output capability. First of all, neither Aperture nor ACR could deal with the Panasonic raw images when I first acquired it -- I couldn't even preview the images in Aperture. Second, the raw conversion application didn't really improve on the in-camera conversion as far as I could tell. My conclusion from this second point is that the raw image data are captured with 8 bits of resolution or less -- which JPEG can handle gracefully. I quickly gave up on RAW with this camera, and shoot JPEG. In retrospect, I wonder if the G7 was a tacit acknowledgement of the fallacy of raw output capability from a tiny sensor.
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[Imants]

I try not to shoot too many images the world is overflowing with jpegs as it is

[Eric Schoch]

After a year of shooting JPEGs, I switched to raw only several years ago, despite being "just an amateur." The hassles of raw have been largely eliminated by software such as Lightroom and Aperture.

Perhaps one reason for the lack of raw discussion in camera reviews is that so much depends on the qualities of different raw converters (and how they are used). With JPEG it really is a function of the camera, and the raw files themselves are a lot more difficult to evaluate. Not that there shouldn't be more discussion of camera raw capabilities.

[Eric Jeschke]

I prefer a camera that can shoot both RAW and JPEG. I shoot RAW some of the time, but I find that under good conditions I get a pretty good JPEG out of the camera. Of course, I make sure that the cameras that I buy CAN produce a good JPEG.

I also rarely shoot on full automatic, and am always checking for proper exposure using the histogram and clipped highlights warnings. The camera that I currently use the most, the Ricoh GX-100 has excellent auto WB, so for these reasons I seldom need to tweak WB or exposure in post-processing. It also has poor shot-to-shot time in RAW, so if I'm shooting candids it's much better to be shooting in JPEG.

I can store three JPEGs at slightly different exposures in less space than 1 RAW file. And I do shoot a lot of exposures, so the disk space and backup requirements add up. I also don't like to spend excessive amounts of time in my workflow. For these reasons, JPEG will continue to be important to me.

That said, I wouldn't purchase a camera these days that didn't let me shoot RAW. And I save all my RAWs as DNGs.

[lucy]

Hello, I'm a professional photographer and when I'm not working with medium or large format film I use a Fuji Finepix, and I shoot in .jpg with it. The review I've just read about the S100FS does compare RAW and .jpg, and on the basis of it I'd be tempted to reinvest in it specifically to continue shooting in .jpg because the grain in RAW looks so revoltingly noisy to me. I mean, if I liked grain I wouldn't prefer larger format film over 35mm, so I certainly don't want grained noise in my digital work either. And while I can understand why other people might prefer RAW, there is an edge of snobbery to it, no? A few years ago I shot an entire project in .jpg with a cheap Fuji Finepix s7000. For the resulting exhibition, I was able to print photos enlarged to almost A1 @ 300dpi without, to my eyes and tastes, any discernably annoying quality issues in terms of surface artifacts.

So I, for one, would appreciate a second opinion on the latest Fuji model that includes an appraisal of its .jpg quality, if you could bear to? Thanks.

[Jernej]

JPEG... seriously! I shoot JPEG 99% of the time. For me personally RAW doesn't provide anything of much use beyond what I already get from a JPEG. I even shoot in-camera B&W a lot... go figure.

PS That doesn't mean I don't recognize the advantages of RAW (before someone starts shouting bad things at me) :)

[Phil Northeast]

For sports I shoot jpeg, eveything else RAW.

A weeekend at a track can chew up a lot of memory cards and motosport is more about the right timing.

RAW gives me more options to fine tune the image later.

[mwg]

I largely agree with John Gillooly. I don't think shooting raw of JPG is going to matter most of the time for a well-exposed shot.

However, sometimes RAW enables you to get a little more dynamic range out of a shot, or to save a poorly-exposed shot. Also, it stops white belance from being an issue. I don't shoot in the same volume that John does, and I enjoy post-processing, so the time penalty for RAW doesn't bother me. So I shoot almost entirely in RAW, except when I take out a P&S that doesn't support it.

[hughlook]

I'm with Bron. Content over technique, these days. I always carry a little Fuji F30 with me as it's a smashing little tool for taking photos with. JPEG only. Some of my favourite (& most communicative) shots have been taken with it, regardless of the lack of RAW. A JPEG is better than no picture. A bit of care in the exposure and it's fine; they even blow up to a perfectly adequate 14" print quite happily. The rest of the time, I use a DLSR which is always in RAW mode and with that I've never found a reason to use JPEG. In both cases I often do a significant amount of fiddling/piddling around in post to get to what I think I saw at the time.

Nonetheless, RAW is better - more flexible, more forgiving, & you can push edits that much harder before it falls over into posterised muck - & to cross the divide I'm trying the smallest/lightest DLSR compatible with my existing lenses, and it's not a bad compromise. But that will be in RAW all the time, too.

[Robert Roaldi]

RAW mostly but sometimes JPGs are good enough, the way you sometimes just want a ham sandwich. I sometimes shoot casual photos of no particular importance. These pictures will never be displayed anywhere other than on the web or in (at most) 5x7s. They have no inherent visual importance in and of themselves and I know that when I'm clicking the shutter. With those, maybe 20% of my shooting, all I want is to click and download, with as close to zero post-processing time as possible.

[Michael Walker]

I shoot partypictures in clubs and I use JPG for the reason that there is no point in "wasting" space on my SD with RAW for I use a flash anyways. therefore I never had any exposure problems. Shooting in JPG also saves me some time when uploading them to the ftp server as I don't have to convert them to jpg first. yes, it's not a day's work to convert them, considering the fact that I'm often returning in the early morning I just want to sleep.
And there are few occasion where the image buffer of my D80 is to small, in that case I switch to JPG

otherwise I shoot RAW only. I'd be stupid if I didn't

[Murph]

Never shoot RAW, I only shoot jpg. To my eye, I cannot tell the difference, and to the people I give my photos to, they can't tell the difference. When I did use RAW (right after I got the D2X, and was taking internet advice), I always converted to a TIFF afterwards. But for 99% of my shooting, I can't tell the difference between RAW and JPG. So brand me a heathen, but JPG works for me, and my type of landscape photography. Proper exposure is a must, however.

[Carl Weese]

Ctein,

The one time I use JPEG files is in commercial illustration shoots where I do RAW+JPEG. The jpg file is a small one, maybe one meg size, just big enough to read well on screen. At the end of the shoot I download all cards to portable hard drives as backups, then copy the little set of jpg files to a card or CD and give it to the client for editing. It's the editor's job, not mine, to pick which shots have the best informational content. By the time I get home, there's an email from the editor with the list of file #s for me to process out from RAW. Tweaking the RAW files in ACR generally takes about half a minute each--I've never understood why people think RAW workflow is slow??--then I initiate a batch action that prepares the set of files as 300ppi 8-bit TIFFs in Adobe RGB while I go do something else. Burn to disc, or upload via FTP if they're really in a rush. The editor can conveniently file the whole take of jpg shots for future reference, but has to come back to me for a printable version.

Oh, there's another time. My aging iBook would faint if I asked it to deal the 14.6 megapixel RAW files produced by my Pentax K20D. On the road for my personal work, I shoot RAW+ so I can review the small jpg files in the evenings while the RAW files go straight to the portable hard drives.